Diesels made in Tunisia? - Page 2

lmao! My screen name doesn't imply shit. Work is work and I have my own agenda as to why I work at a clothing store (not like I'm the first or last person in the world who doesn't like his weekend job)

Until then I'll keep the SN thanks, when I quit I'll ask to change it.

skidder, I was trying saying how MII is a lot more prestigious then a Tunisia or Romania tag.. exactly. So basically you are saying that most of their stuff passes through Italy except for special orders, etc but stuff stamped elsewhere is generally a rarity?

what i'm saying is, jeans that are tagged made in tunisia or romania are exactly the same as the jeans that are tagged made in italy. the only difference is that the ones tagged made in tunisia or wherever else just never got shipped to italy before being distributed.

most jeans are marked made in italy. i wouldn't say that ones made elsewhere are a rarity, but they are far less common.

double post, why does my browser do that?

I think you're all full of shit

^ you have to come a little more specific than that.

A bunch of kids still living with your parents so you can afford $200 jeans now pissed off because your dreams of being a fashion icon have been crushed cause you just found out your jeans really arent "Made in Italy" (evil laugh) muaahh muuuaaahhh muuuuaaaahhhh

^ tbh I wish I did live at home so then I could spend my mortgage payments on Diesel denim .... nahhhh my g/f would kill me.

Lots of my previous orders from yoox weren't MII, so if they are restocking from elsewhere, it seems like a lot of it ends up as overstock.

I have bought Tunisia-made Zathan & Viker cords in a Saks 5th Ave store, so I am pretty certain that's a legitimate origin.

ok this jumping on DieselEmployee is getting a bit ridiculous. at least he's trying to find out about the label he works for and just have an opinion (i didn't notice him making any bold statements). and it's not like Diesel stores do workshops for their stuff with diagrams and pie charts of japanese denim or hand out color-ins about tags origin. we all had to start somewhere and i think this forum is a good place to start while having a decent discussion about all those things without posting "you're full of shit" after each of his posts. at least james is trying to explain and point to the right direction but people with 5 posts falling off a random tree with smartass insults is just a little too much.

sorry for the offtopic rant.

and no, im not his mom.

By the way, saw some True Religion cords in a store today, made in Tunisia as well. I'll bet my shirt that they are made at the exact same factory by the exact same people as the Diesel cords, ha.

Are all the cords made in Tunisia? Mine certainly are.

pretty much all fashion pants are made outside of italy. aside from a few random pieces each season, pretty much everything besides the 5-pocket collection is made elsewhere.

If you've taken Business 101 you know that the "Made in" country is where the final product was assembled. So they could have pieces made from two different countries, shipped to Italy and if the final assembly is done in Italy then it is "Made in Italy".

While I'm personally not bothered by the lack of a "Made In Italy" tag, I understand how there could be concerns about ordering mysterious product.

Reason being - Top shelf brands like Chanel, Prada, et al., are moving operations to China and other low-cost regions to satisfy booming* demand for designer clothing and accessories outside of the US and Europe. But the grabber here is that the Asia-region product may be of different quality than its counterpart, sold in the US and EU.

Of course, I'm not saying that Diesel is or isn't indulging in this practice. I don't know anything about their manufacturing processes or if they're pushing different product in developing nations. What I am saying is that designer labels have begun the practice of developing inferior products (or at least, making use of cheaper assembly labor) to exploit new markets in places like China.

From sawfnews.com:
"Goods whose production involved more than one country shall be deemed to originate in the country where they underwent their last, substantial, economically justified processing," the EU rules state.

Whole article:
'Made in Italy' ... by undocumented workers

Another article from the LA Times:
The 'Made in Italy' label: Read the fine print - Los Angeles Times


Bottom line - We may feel good about the "Made In Italy" tag, but it really doesn't tell us shit since the fabrication side of the garment industry is intrinsicly unethical and EU laws are not strict enough to keep a handle on things. So until the situation improves and stricter laws are enacted, the only thing you can go on is the Diesel microstitch. That's it.

In the sawfnews.com article there's talk about changing standards so that apparel labeling will have to be as verbose as what's found with automotive domestic parts content. I think things will eventually hit a boiling point where enough Italian brands that play fair get fed up with other brands "cheating" with offshored goods.

So this brings up a question for JSkidder - Does Diesel do any significant manufacture, assembly or finishing in Italy? Or do they simply sew on three colored bands, a hologram tag and call it a day?

*I forecast that the boom has ended, and the explosive growth of designer labels will become an operational burden by the end of this year.

By the way - I think DieselEmployee brought up some good points and has provoked some thoughtful debate, so I don't really understand why some of you have piled-on. Somehow we've mistakenly taken the handle of "DieselEmployee" to imply that he's presenting himself as a Diesel expert. He's just letting us know that he works there - nothing wrong with that.

Grondie that was a very good read, funny because I was going to say the same about Dieselemployee, he is just speaking his mind, and so is everybody else, so give the guy a break.

^ Thanks for the backup Mannequin and Grondie! I tried some other names and they were taken so this one came to mind. Most Diesel employees aren't very knowledgeable from what I witness in my store and a few other stores I went to in the past couple of years. Especially the women. You'd be hard pressed to find a girl who knows her washes. I don't think they care... Diesel is a guy thing. But there are tons of guys and girls who know tons and tons about Diesel (usually the ones who stick around for 2 or 3 years.)

The employee fire/hire rotation is pretty fast and they are hiring a ton of 18 year old emos with jet black hair covering one eye who barely know what Diesel is at all. They pretty much categorize it into 'bootcut' and 'straight/skinny' and 'light/dark/clean/dirty' washes. Don't even bother asking them to look up something in an outlet store or another store because they don't know how to use a computer... unless it's a mac.

Boy, so much stereotyping today.

I was working earlier and checked out some tags. Many of the things we sell are in fact, made in Tunisia. Such as the Trouleg 8HL. They stamp it right on the micro stitching tag, not just on the other tags behind it. Diesel is synonymous with Italy so this is an interesting change.

Thats funny, 'cause the last time I went there, the exact person that helped me looked just like that,

On the topic, for me, if its authentic, where its made isnt that big of an issue to me. now if the quality begins to differ, then it'll become a problem.

Look at the date it's from 2008.