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Diesels made in Tunisia?

post #1 of 44
Thread Starter 
What's the deal with Diesel jeans made in Tunisia? Authentic or not?
post #2 of 44
Thread Starter 
I should probably mention that they're Moorix 796s from dieselofmiami.
post #3 of 44
probably real.
post #4 of 44
You can trust dieselofmiami. I once saw some nice Ralph Lauren polo jeans that were made in Tunisia, too bad they didn't have my size.
post #5 of 44
Never seen any diesel made in Tunisia... mind taking some photos of the tag for us?
post #6 of 44
It doesn't altogether surprise me. Tunisia is in north africa, and they've been making stuff in morocco for a long time.

I've also seen some non-denim rumbums which were made in india (saw them in barneys coop, so no chance of them being fakes).
post #7 of 44
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Originally Posted by baboonut
Never seen any diesel made in Tunisia... mind taking some photos of the tag for us?
The tag is the same as any tag but "Made in Italy" is blanked out leaving white space between the size and microstitching. Made in Tunisia is printed on a 4th tag in several languages.

I'm a bit annoyed right now since I'm very particular about Diesels being made in Italy. He should mention things like that in his auctions.
post #8 of 44
I've asked him in the past, and he's always been honest about where they're made. Maybe in the future just ask him? I dont see why you'd stress over it tho, I have several which were made outside italy and I dont see any difference.
post #9 of 44
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Yeah I'll just ask him when I next get anything from him. It's annoying because I thought the only Diesels made outside of Italy are the non-denim items.

He gave me this reply when I asked what the deal is:

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I am sorry that you feel disspointed. Some of the Diesel jeans that I get come from Europe. These are the same jeans that are sold in stores and outlets in Europe, therefore, they have different tags. They are imported from Italy as my auction states. However, they may be manufactured in other countries.

Most Diesel jeans that are sold in the USA market have tags that say "made in Italy". However, some of the new jeans for 2005 say made in Morocco and Tunisia. Diesel is subcontracting cheaper labor in other countries to lower manufacturing costs. They supervise the work in order to maintain the quality standards. Do you actually think that everything that says made in Italy is actually made in Italy? Labor costs are extremely high in Europe and in the USA.

For this reason, many developed countries have opened free zones in 3rd world countries. For example, 5 years ago, I used to work for a major contractor that made sporting goods for adidas. We received measurements and specs from their headquaters in order to develop and manufacture their clothes. The tags said made in the USA, however, all the garments - the fabric, the labor, the R&D, etc was performed in the Dominican Republic.

The jeans are definitely authentic, so there is no need to worry
post #10 of 44
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Originally Posted by flipnotic
Yeah I'll just ask him when I next get anything from him. It's annoying because I thought the only Diesels made outside of Italy are the non-denim items.

He gave me this reply when I asked what the deal is:

Quote:
I am sorry that you feel disspointed. Some of the Diesel jeans that I get come from Europe. These are the same jeans that are sold in stores and outlets in Europe, therefore, they have different tags. They are imported from Italy as my auction states. However, they may be manufactured in other countries.

Most Diesel jeans that are sold in the USA market have tags that say "made in Italy". However, some of the new jeans for 2005 say made in Morocco and Tunisia. Diesel is subcontracting cheaper labor in other countries to lower manufacturing costs. They supervise the work in order to maintain the quality standards. Do you actually think that everything that says made in Italy is actually made in Italy? Labor costs are extremely high in Europe and in the USA.

For this reason, many developed countries have opened free zones in 3rd world countries. For example, 5 years ago, I used to work for a major contractor that made sporting goods for adidas. We received measurements and specs from their headquaters in order to develop and manufacture their clothes. The tags said made in the USA, however, all the garments - the fabric, the labor, the R&D, etc was performed in the Dominican Republic.

The jeans are definitely authentic, so there is no need to worry
Basically he's right. I dont know why diesel makes some of their jeans outside italy. It'd be fine if they were open about it, but instead you have them saying one thing and doing another which makes it tough on someone who ends up with a non-italy jean without expecting that.
post #11 of 44
Lacoste also has a plant in Tunisia that makes long sleeve dress shirts, I mean yeah its disappointing, but dont we all buy Diesel items for the look and quality? Obviously their not going to let something go out with their name on it thats not up to their standards.
post #12 of 44
I have just spoken to some people and the yrun garment factory making tees for Esprit and even Diesel. They know for fact that diesel jeans are actually not made in italy but are indeed subcontracted to other countries but the final little steps...perhaps the inspection are done in italy and therefore claims they are made in italy...
Lacoste is also produced here in Thailand
post #13 of 44
I don't see what the big deal is. No matter where it's made it's getting made by the lowest bidder. Be it in Italy or North Africa I don't see how this matters much. Also when jeans or anything else is made, by law the 'made in' tag has to reflect that of which the final process was done. So if you and I were making a pair of jeans here in the USA and we sent it to bangladesh to have the final touch of the diesel tag on the 5th coin pocket installed they would have to reflect that name on the 'made in' tag.
post #14 of 44
im sure the jeans are made in other countries but the finishing wash touches (ie: 796 rust effects) are probly done in Italy where Diesel headquarters are.
post #15 of 44

TUNISIA

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Originally Posted by flipnotic View Post
The tag is the same as any tag but "Made in Italy" is blanked out leaving white space between the size and microstitching. Made in Tunisia is printed on a 4th tag in several languages.

I'm a bit annoyed right now since I'm very particular about Diesels being made in Italy. He should mention things like that in his auctions.

Indeed some of the jeans now say made in Tunisia on them. They are however, real, at least if they have the microstitching and etc. I just bought some Zathan 8at that way. I guess it goes to show we all can't stop learning. May see Morocco, Tunisia, and a few others.

Hope this helps,

IMATREASURETRACKER (AKA Ebay Retailxchange)
post #16 of 44
probably not since this thread is like 3 years old
post #17 of 44
the price of Diesel is so high partly because of the high labor rates much like American PD is so expensive. If Diesels were made in Tunisia or China, regardless if they are supervised for 'quality' control, I damn well wouldn't want to pay $250 for jeans made in some 3rd world country even if it bears the Diesel name, especially when some cuts/washes have both versions (Morocco/Italy) and the same price tag.
but that's just me...

Anyway, it seems that the ones made in Romania or Morocco or wherever are for less wealthy countries who can't afford 'premium' Diesel denim (or not enough people who can to make decent sales) so they make budget models from much cheaper labor. The stuff sold in the US is like 99.9% made in Italy but with the Dollar doing so badly who knows, maybe all Diesels US stuff will soon be made in Africa.

This is why i'm always unsure about what i'll get from yoox because if you think you are getting a deal for a pair and they turn out to be from Romania... it's not really such a deal anymore. I also sold some jeans on ebay a while ago which weren't Italian and the buyer emailed me about it afterwards (and while not asking for a refund... was not too happy about it) which makes it harder to resell since almost everyone expects Diesel to be MII. While there may be no real correlation between MII or made elsewhere, there must be a psychological feeling of supremacy knowing that your product is made in a country which specializes and has an amazing reputation in creating and perfecting quality goods.
post #18 of 44
it doesn't make a damn bit of difference where the tag states that the jeans were made. it is all the exact same stuff made with the exact same materials and everything else. your argument against stuff not made in italy is bullshit, because the made in italy doesn't mean dick. the "made in" tag only states the final place in which the jeans were touched before being shipped off to retail outlets, so not a single pair that has a made in italy tag is evn really "made" there. they just had the tags put on there. every single pair of jeans diesel makes is cut, sewn, and assembled outside of italy. the only difference is that some are shipped back to italy before being distributed and some are not.
post #19 of 44
you're saying nothing Diesel manufactures is made in Italy from start to finish anymore? Is it all made by child laborers?

If what you are saying is true, why do they ship things back to Italy for tags? Kind of redundant don't you think? Why stamp some MII and not others? Are they trying to trick people?
post #20 of 44
The 'finishing' is done in Italy for those items that are tagged "Made In Italy"

Since you have this perception of Diesel being the big bad wolf and are tricksters, then maybe you should rethink your job there and also your screenname here.

I'd propose that the admins give you a free of charge renaming to something else. Your screenname implies that you have extensive knowledge of the products and the company, but you don't and there's no shame in admitting that.
post #21 of 44
its not about trickery so much as the fact that diesel's worldwide distribution hub and warehouse is located in italy. of course they will claim made in italy on the tags of anything they are legally allowed to because it does garner a bit more prestige than a made in tunisia tag, but i don't think they are willinly trying to deceive the public.
post #22 of 44
most times denims are made for upcoming seasons well in advance and sent to italy for allocation. at that time they often have no idea as of yet which markets they will be distributed to and in what quantities. as a result, the first batch of any given pair is pretty much always all tagged made in italy. most of the time when you see stuff tagged made elsewhere it is because they were produced to fill a specific order or restock in which case there is no need to be consolidated to italy for distribution.
post #23 of 44
Simply put though... your tag is located on the inside, there's no "Made in Italy" on the outside of the jeans.

If you (general form of the pronoun you) wear clothing simply because it's made in Italy then you (general form of the pronoun you) have more to worry about than where your jeans were manufactured.
post #24 of 44
This has been addressed MANY times. By international law, they can say "made in" the last country in which work was done on the textile.
post #25 of 44
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Originally Posted by biodiesel View Post
The 'finishing' is done in Italy for those items that are tagged "Made In Italy"

Since you have this perception of Diesel being the big bad wolf and are tricksters, then maybe you should rethink your job there and also your screenname here.

I'd propose that the admins give you a free of charge renaming to something else. Your screenname implies that you have extensive knowledge of the products and the company, but you don't and there's no shame in admitting that.
lmao! My screen name doesn't imply shit. Work is work and I have my own agenda as to why I work at a clothing store (not like I'm the first or last person in the world who doesn't like his weekend job)

Until then I'll keep the SN thanks, when I quit I'll ask to change it.

skidder, I was trying saying how MII is a lot more prestigious then a Tunisia or Romania tag.. exactly. So basically you are saying that most of their stuff passes through Italy except for special orders, etc but stuff stamped elsewhere is generally a rarity?
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