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post #1 of 29
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There is not 1 person on ebay or any non authorized site that can buy from true religion distributors, I am in the process of trying to buy true religion jeans for my boutique and I cannot even get authorization to purchase their jeans, they are not open for any new retailers at this time. I had to fill out an application and wait…. And pray. And I own a legit boutique. Who is authorized to sell Sevens?

So when are buying on ebay none of the jeans are real even the ones that look real. Unless they are bought from an already authorized retailer on sale or clearance. The True Religion jeans start at $78.00 for the basic style true religions for retailers to buy from the distributors. So you guys might as well stop shopping on ebay unless you see a store tag with the store name attached to the jeans. For you guys are not experts. And you are wrong on a lot that you are even calling real, and wrong on fakes. There are really good fakes that you guys cannot tell, like a lot of the sellers you tell people to buy from; they have the really good fakes…. Legit retailers are not permitted to sell on ebay.

I used to be a manager at a high-end department store and got allot of returns from people saying the jeans are fake. Which were not, they were factory seconds and damaged jeans, and jeans the employees put the wrong hang tags on. You really need to tell people to go to the store where the jeans are from and ask for a manager to verify authencity. Your site is going to be shut down some day if you keep telling people that jeans with a legit store tag are fake. Some hang tags get put on the wrong pair of jeans by employees, it happens, but in no means does it mean that the jeans are fakes. High end dept stores and boutiques do not need to sell fakes, they are authorized to buy real, and items mostly cannot be returned that are fake, i have caught allot of people trying to return fakes. they are marked on price tag with the serial number or cut number on the jeans size tag, and in the register by codes. So very few if any can slip by. And a store manager knows the jeans, so if you want this site to stay. Tell people that they need to check with a store manager on authencity from where the stores are bought, and I am not referring to ebay.
You do not really want legit stores complaining.



Just a little info for you from a real boutique owner.
post #2 of 29
quadruple post, NEW RECORD!!!!!!!!
post #3 of 29
Thread Starter 

posts

sorry, my computer froze and my statement posted 3 times.
post #4 of 29
wow what a useless post. isn't it obvious that the people selling the jeans on ebay for cheaper than retail bought them clearance at a rack and are reselling for a profit? DUH!

If you think when someone is checking authenticity and you think we are wrong, voice your opinion instead of lurking here. No we are not experts, but most of us helping with authenticity know more than the average consumer, and probably some of us know more than the average store manager.

Are one of the people selling fakes and this whole boutique owner thing is a crock? This wouldn't be the first time someone has come crying here because we said the fake shit they were selling was fake.
post #5 of 29
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tsukasa
If you think when someone is checking authenticity and you think we are wrong, voice your opinion instead of lurking here. No we are not experts, but most of us helping with authenticity know more than the average consumer, and probably some of us know more than the average store manager.

Are one of the people selling fakes and this whole boutique owner thing is a crock? This wouldn't be the first time someone has come crying here because we said the fake shit they were selling was fake.
Very true. I found the original post to be quite snotty and not very helpful. We have a very good eye for fakes here with everyone combined, whatever you say.
post #6 of 29
Thread Starter 

fakes

I am talking about when a customer comes back to a store like Neiman Marcus, or Nordstrom. etc... and says the jeans are fake cause of a wrong hand tag on them.and they tel us that Honest Forum told them. well you are not authoried to tell someone that, stick to telling people that ebay jeans are fake. not real retail stores.. and just to let you know store managers must have a extensive knowledge in high end clothing that is how they got to be managers. more than your knowledge, your knowledge is from buying them.There is training also for management direct from the merchants reps..So we do have more knowledge then you, sorry...
post #7 of 29
First of all, I don't think any of us base our determination of fakes by the hang tag alone. If there is a wrong hang tag on it, okay. If there is a FAKE hang tag on it... give me a break.

Just because we are not authorized to determine authenticity does not mean we cannot give our opinion. And these store managers... I am sure their knowledge prevents all the fake jeans that people have seen inside of their stores right? I am not talking about rack stores either.

From the knowledge you are displaying here, I highly doubt you have more knowledge than some of the members here if you are just going on about hang tags.
post #8 of 29
Please I always see fakes at the department store and the managers are even clue-less.If they know so much why do they put them back on the selves
post #9 of 29

Re: fakes

Quote:
Originally Posted by boutique owner
I am talking about when a customer comes back to a store like Neiman Marcus, or Nordstrom. etc... and says the jeans are fake cause of a wrong hand tag on them.and they tel us that Honest Forum told them. well you are not authoried to tell someone that, stick to telling people that ebay jeans are fake. not real retail stores.. and just to let you know store managers must have a extensive knowledge in high end clothing that is how they got to be managers. more than your knowledge, your knowledge is from buying them.There is training also for management direct from the merchants reps..So we do have more knowledge then you, sorry...
It's not our fault that someone goes in and says that we told them a pair of jeans are fake. We can express our opinions if we want to, whether that opinion is that a pair of jeans is fake or real. If someone wants to reference Honestforum as an authentication source, there's nothing anyone here can do to stop them. No one here claims to be any sort of jeans god at telling fakes from real, but a lot of the people here are very experienced and are doing others a FAVOR by telling them that they think something is fake. Also, buying from real retail stores doesn't really ensure that you're getting 100% authentic jeans either. Many forum members (myself included) have found fakes at retail stores like Nordstroms, Adasa, and others because people return the fakes and exchange them for the real ones. There's no reason to be mad that HF members are helping other people by preventing them from spending their money on fake jeans that aren't worth a penny.
post #10 of 29
I have found several, I mean several fakes at Nordstrom before from people returning them there. I have brought them to the employees attention and even they said, no these are real. Not everyone is educated about fakes and authentics as you "say" they are. I have also called TR several times and spoken to people in particular, one was the director of operations and the other was in production and know for a fact that the jeans I saw at Nordies were fakes as I described them to them and even sent them pics. So do not even begin to be "all knowing" since you are a boutique owner and we are just lowly customers!!!

Also we are not authorized to be telling people that their items are fakes as we are not employeed by these companies but we are authorized to state our opinions according to the freedom of speech.
post #11 of 29
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tsukasa
First of all, I don't think any of us base our determination of fakes by the hang tag alone. If there is a wrong hang tag on it, okay. If there is a FAKE hang tag on it... give me a break.

Just because we are not authorized to determine authenticity does not mean we cannot give our opinion. And these store managers... I am sure their knowledge prevents all the fake jeans that people have seen inside of their stores right? I am not talking about rack stores either.

From the knowledge you are displaying here, I highly doubt you have more knowledge than some of the members here if you are just going on about hang tags.
My thoughts exactly! Everything is taken under consideration not just the hang tags!
post #12 of 29

Re: fakes



Quote:
Originally Posted by boutique owner
There is not 1 person on ebay or any non authorized site that can buy from true religion distributors, I am in the process of trying to buy true religion jeans for my boutique and I cannot even get authorization to purchase their jeans, they are not open for any new retailers at this time. I had to fill out an application and wait…. And pray. And I own a legit boutique. Who is authorized to sell Sevens?

So when are buying on ebay none of the jeans are real even the ones that look real. Unless they are bought from an already authorized retailer on sale or clearance. The True Religion jeans start at $78.00 for the basic style true religions for retailers to buy from the distributors. So you guys might as well stop shopping on ebay unless you see a store tag with the store name attached to the jeans. For you guys are not experts. And you are wrong on a lot that you are even calling real, and wrong on fakes. There are really good fakes that you guys cannot tell, like a lot of the sellers you tell people to buy from; they have the really good fakes…. Legit retailers are not permitted to sell on ebay.

I used to be a manager at a high-end department store and got allot of returns from people saying the jeans are fake. Which were not, they were factory seconds and damaged jeans, and jeans the employees put the wrong hang tags on. You really need to tell people to go to the store where the jeans are from and ask for a manager to verify authencity. Your site is going to be shut down some day if you keep telling people that jeans with a legit store tag are fake. Some hang tags get put on the wrong pair of jeans by employees, it happens, but in no means does it mean that the jeans are fakes. High end dept stores and boutiques do not need to sell fakes, they are authorized to buy real, and items mostly cannot be returned that are fake, i have caught allot of people trying to return fakes. they are marked on price tag with the serial number or cut number on the jeans size tag, and in the register by codes. So very few if any can slip by. And a store manager knows the jeans, so if you want this site to stay. Tell people that they need to check with a store manager on authencity from where the stores are bought, and I am not referring to ebay.
You do not really want legit stores complaining.



Just a little info for you from a real boutique owner.
Quote:
Originally Posted by boutique owner
I am talking about when a customer comes back to a store like Neiman Marcus, or Nordstrom. etc... and says the jeans are fake cause of a wrong hand tag on them.and they tel us that Honest Forum told them. well you are not authoried to tell someone that, stick to telling people that ebay jeans are fake. not real retail stores.. and just to let you know store managers must have a extensive knowledge in high end clothing that is how they got to be managers. more than your knowledge, your knowledge is from buying them.There is training also for management direct from the merchants reps..So we do have more knowledge then you, sorry...


Probably two of the most ignorant posts I've ever seen in my life.

So what if you are, or were ever a manager at a store, that doesn't constitute having this great all-mighty knowledge of everything you sell. You obvously don't know what you're talking about and have gotten a little too cocky working at a store that sells designer items. Like everyone stated before, by what you've displayed here, you basically dug yourself into a hole to show how little knowledge you truely have on this subject.

Another thing, AGAIN...everyone in here is stating opinions. We are not the jeans partrol, you don't see us wearing badges and handing out written verification of fakes. You can't realistically blame us for someone coming to a store and saying "honestforum told me these are fake" if anything that's GOOD...because with all the fakes that end up at stores from people SWITCHING TAGS...we've helped them. If someone says their friend told them the jeans are fake, are you going to ask for a name and phone number of this person so you can track them down and tell them how wrong they are?? GET OF YOUR HIGH HORSE BUDDY!

And it's pretty bold to say that every TR jeans that is on ebay is fake no matter how good it looks. Who knows how each seller gets their jeans on to ebay....but just because it didn't come directly from TR to the ebay seller, doesn't mean they are fakes. Honestly who the hell do you think you are telling everyone on this forum they are wrong and you're smarter than they are? In that simple statement "There is training also for management direct from the merchants reps..So we do have more knowledge then you, sorry", you proved just how ignorant you are.

So do us all a favor, and GO AWAY! Basically you're voicing a whole lotta You are doing no one here any good trying to be a cocky know it all. Guess what....YOU DON'T KNOW SH*T!

Hey admin!
post #13 of 29
Yay for Mr. Dj!

And to contribute to the thread...uhmm... go away!
post #14 of 29
beautiful use of offsite smileys haha... wow.
post #15 of 29
how can we get those smileys on our site??
post #16 of 29
maybe aipume can lock this thread and rename it to "info from a real boutique owner who doesn't have room to be talking all this bullshit"

*hint
post #17 of 29
Quote:
Originally Posted by kevanu
beautiful use of offsite smileys haha... wow.
Haha, thanks....Yeah I borrow them from another forum I'm on...there's a lot of fun ones.

Quote:
Originally Posted by joce08
how can we get those smileys on our site??
I don't know...something admins would have to do I'm sure...By uploading them to the forums server. I have no clue really, haha

post #18 of 29
The hang tag, is the LAST thing to base an authenticity check on. This thread is really useless. Might have liked to welcome you as a newbie, but that isn't looking likely from this thread.
post #19 of 29
Boutique owner:

How long have you been in the retail clothing business? If it is a long time, you know how the clothing market works. TR does not manufacture their own jeans, they outsource to a factory that makes them for them, like almost every high-end brand does.

It is very easy for things to get "lost" when outsourcing. There could be many authentic pairs on the market that got there by shady deals an unscrupulous (sp) people. Unless you yourself can keep an eye on every single shady person involved in the process in the world, you cannot know every single thing going on. Some where along the way, it is very wasy for authentic TR jeans to get "lost" and resold, this is shady business, and I agree that the best bet is to just wait for a sale if you want a discount.

Are you really upset about some people not being 100% at autheticity, or are you afraid fewer people will be willing to pay full retail at a boutique like yours as sites like HonestForum gain a bigger and bigger following?
post #20 of 29
I wonder if the person that "boutique owner" haggled for the source of her information leading her to HonestForum is reading all this right now... I'm sure you are!
post #21 of 29
This is probably one of the most mindless posts I've ever seen here . . . there's so many things wrong with it that I'm not even going to begin to pick them apart.

REMEMBER NOT TO FEED THE TROLLS, EVERYONE!
post #22 of 29
Quote:
Originally Posted by Linds
This is probably one of the most mindless posts I've ever seen here . . . there's so many things wrong with it that I'm not even going to begin to pick them apart.

REMEMBER NOT TO FEED THE TROLLS, EVERYONE!
nah, boutique isn't a troll... he/she is just worried about her/his business that's all... if my livelihood/reputation was at stake, I would also become quite irrational... it happens to the best of us
post #23 of 29
DON'T FEED THE TROLLS!!!

That said, I think that the poster of this thread probably is:
a. concerned about the competition,
b. is selling fakes at their store or was caught selling fakes at their store

more likely b than a
post #24 of 29
Thread Starter 
Did you not read my post in full. i do not sell these as my shop yet, i am waiting for authorization, it's a long process to be approved. to sell these True Religion jeans. I am talking about when i was manager at Nordstrom.What was happening.
post #25 of 29
oh my life...
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