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post #51 of 278
1/13/06 at 1:25pm
i have a friend who calls herself a Lesbian. not bi.. even though I know she sleeps with guys. Anyway. I really think that for her this is more of a phase. She started hanging out with a lot of lesbian people and thats when this started, but for some reason I really think its just a phase... have any of you heard of this?
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post #52 of 278
1/13/06 at 1:33pm
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Originally Posted by kraer11
i have a friend who calls herself a Lesbian. not bi.. even though I know she sleeps with guys. Anyway. I really think that for her this is more of a phase. She started hanging out with a lot of lesbian people and thats when this started, but for some reason I really think its just a phase... have any of you heard of this?
Yeah, I think thats sort of what Ben and I were putting out there. That kind of phase thing would really be pretty understandable for a gay person to go through...
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post #53 of 278
1/13/06 at 1:36pm
I agree, there is no such thing as Bisexual. You are gay, or not.
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post #54 of 278
1/13/06 at 1:41pm
this thread is depressing.

i was watching desperate housewives with my dad the other night, and marcia cross' son was making out with the hot gardener, and he said "ew". and im still really pissed off at him.
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post #55 of 278
1/13/06 at 1:44pm
claiming to be bisexual is overrated. its like, just add that onto being into veganism, the shitty new le tigre cd, and your girl ae jeans. []
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post #56 of 278
1/13/06 at 1:45pm
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Originally Posted by csirip
this thread is depressing.

i was watching desperate housewives with my dad the other night, and marcia cross' son was making out with the hot gardener, and he said "ew". and im still really pissed off at him.
does he know you are gay?
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post #57 of 278
1/13/06 at 1:46pm
no.
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post #58 of 278
1/13/06 at 1:49pm
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Originally Posted by csirip
this thread is depressing.

i was watching desperate housewives with my dad the other night, and marcia cross' son was making out with the hot gardener, and he said "ew". and im still really pissed off at him.
Does your dad "know"? Do you think he was trying to gauge your reaction? Or do you think he was just speaking from his heart.

I wouldn't want to be in your shoes... I'm old. Nothing could make me want to do it all over again.

~J
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post #59 of 278
1/13/06 at 1:49pm
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Originally Posted by csirip
claiming to be bisexual is overrated. its like, just add that onto being into veganism, the shitty new le tigre cd, and your girl ae jeans. []
Hahahah, totally
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post #60 of 278
1/13/06 at 1:50pm
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Originally Posted by kraer11
i have a friend who calls herself a Lesbian. not bi.. even though I know she sleeps with guys. Anyway. I really think that for her this is more of a phase. She started hanging out with a lot of lesbian people and thats when this started, but for some reason I really think its just a phase... have any of you heard of this?
sure why not, Freudian theory even suggests that part of sexual development can involve fooling around with the same sex as part of experimentation.
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post #61 of 278
1/13/06 at 1:55pm
Why would proof that it's not a choice make it so much better and acceptable?

I sense alot of hypocrisy, but most of all misunderstanding. The world just seems really dumbed down and sexed up.

If it weren't about who's fucking who, then what is it about?

Are homosexuals just tools??? We're all human you know??
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post #62 of 278
1/13/06 at 2:09pm
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Originally Posted by turn_your_head
Why would proof that it's not a choice make it so much better and acceptable?
Well, because a lot of people think their kids/family/friends are making the CHOICE to be gay as an antisocial decision, and as one which will purposely hurt their loved ones. Letting people know it's NOT a choice is part of what's necessary to get these idiots over their incredible distress that their kids are gay.
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post #63 of 278
1/13/06 at 2:11pm
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Originally Posted by BladeRunner302
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Originally Posted by turn_your_head
Why would proof that it's not a choice make it so much better and acceptable?
Well, because a lot of people think their kids/family/friends are making the CHOICE to be gay as an antisocial decision, and as one which will purposely hurt their loved ones. Letting people know it's NOT a choice is part of what's necessary to get these idiots over their incredible distress that their kids are gay.
Agreed, but you know religious fanatics don't even believe in sciecne
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post #64 of 278
1/13/06 at 2:11pm
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Originally Posted by turn_your_head
Agreed, but you know religious fanatics don't even believe in sciecne
And they're our number one enemy
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post #65 of 278
1/13/06 at 2:22pm
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Originally Posted by turn_your_head
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Originally Posted by turn_your_head
Agreed, but you know religious fanatics don't even believe in sciecne
And they're our number one enemy
Well hopefully these fanatics you talk about will be able to put aside their idiocy for the sake of loving their goddamn family and friends.

By the way, the REAL political enemies of homosexuality will NEVER prevail, so you have nothing to worry about on that front IMO. Ever since the beginning of the backlash movement way back in the 60's and its enormous growth in the 80's, political conservatives have railed against gays, abortion, drug culture and the liberal media. Let's take a look at how much good they've done for their cause, aside from electing supposedly like-minded conservatives to office:

1. Television and the media are more violent, sexually explicit, and gay-friendly than EVER
2. The gay marriage movement is picking up speed and getting things done politically
3. Roe v. Wade is nowhere even CLOSE to being overturned
4. Drug use is way more widespread and hardcore now than it was in the 60's!

And those are just a few examples. I would say that politically, gays don't have *too* much to worry about. The so called "conservatives" who have been elected by religious and cultural backlashers are the real ones in power, and they don't give a fuck about banning gay marriage or stopping abortion. Even conservative hero Ronald Regan wouldn't come close to touching that shit.

Backlashers and gay haters alike = bitchslapped.
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post #66 of 278
1/13/06 at 2:46pm
Very awesome perspective and I agree with what you have to say about society and politics in regards to the gays. That is how I've felt, even after Bush was elected. No one can really bring us down anymore, it can only really get much better. 2006 is supposed to be the gayest year ever. Let's hope the media doesn't screw this one up!
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post #67 of 278
1/13/06 at 2:51pm
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Originally Posted by turn_your_head
Very awesome perspective and I agree with what you have to say about society and politics in regards to the gays. That is how I've felt, even after Bush was elected. No one can really bring us down anymore, it can only really get much better. 2006 is supposed to be the gayest year ever. Let's hope the media doesn't screw this one up!
Huzzah!
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post #68 of 278
1/13/06 at 3:09pm
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Originally Posted by turn_your_head
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Agreed, but you know religious fanatics don't even believe in sciecne
And they're our number one enemy
Bad stereotype! I am a very religious person but do not feel that way about gays at all. To me, God made love and love is what it is, whether it be between a man and a woman, a man and a man, or a woman and a woman. Love is a feeling, and it is not a restricted one. A lot of religious 'fanatics' don't have problems with gay people. I don't.
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post #69 of 278
1/13/06 at 3:11pm
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Originally Posted by missmk
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Originally Posted by turn_your_head
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Agreed, but you know religious fanatics don't even believe in sciecne
And they're our number one enemy
Bad stereotype! I am a very religious person but do not feel that way about gays at all. To me, God made love and love is what it is, whether it be between a man and a woman, a man and a man, or a woman and a woman. Love is a feeling, and it is not a restricted one. A lot of religious 'fanatics' don't have problems with gay people. I don't.
Word... people like Jerry Falwell don't represent the majority of Christians and religious people. In fact, they don't really represent anyone.
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post #70 of 278
1/13/06 at 3:24pm
Oooo the gayest year ever? Even gayer then the gay 90s?? :P

While i know that politically gays are pretty safe, sometimes i feel scared. In Canada right now we have legalized gay marriages and if Stephen Harper is elected one of his plans of action is to make gay marriages illegal again. I really hate it when religion is associated into politics.

As for the whole bisexual thing i have mixed feelings. I do beleive that there are people that fall in love with a person not a sex/gender, but i don't know if those people call themselves bisexual. I do know that there are people who call themselves bisexual just so that they can be cool or for girls so they can attract guys. Interestingly enough, a lot of males i ahve met at first think the idea of a bisexual girlfriend is cool, and then it actually bothers them and it becomes worrisome that thier GF is going to leave them for another girl.
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post #71 of 278
1/13/06 at 3:49pm
I know that the subject of bisexuality is controversal for some but I learned some interesting things in my human sexuality class (which I had with Vince Young )

I forget the theory or researcher, but basically as far as sexual orientation there is a continuum with purely homosexual and purely hetrosexual as the extremes. The majority of people are not at the extremes and fall somewhere throughout the spectrum. So a woman can be near "hetro" side but may be slightly aroused by other females without having a preference for it. Some people even move along spectrum (ex: more near hetrosexul early in adolesence and more toward the middle). This takes into account that sometimes with growth there is change.

What do you guys think?
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post #72 of 278
1/13/06 at 4:15pm
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Originally Posted by BladeRunner302

Word... people like Jerry Falwell don't represent the majority of Christians and religious people. In fact, they don't really represent anyone.
The anti-gay christian establishment is much larger than you think. Why are preachers like Billy Graham able to put 80-100k people in a football stadiums for a sermons across the country if they don't represent anyone.
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post #73 of 278
1/13/06 at 4:21pm
The thing that really annoys me about this debate (not here specifically but in society generally) is how selective people are about the thing. For instance, the argument that 'homosexuality is unnatural' is explicitly not the case. Homosexual behavior has been observed across the spectrum in the animal kindom including amongst wolves, monkeys, pengiuns, pretty much everywhere you look. Some fishes and amphibians are even capable of changing gender spontaneously. There's a kind of fish which is female as a juvinile and once it reaches a certain size ALL INDIVIDUALS become male!

Even bible literalists seem to be very selective in terms of what they take seriously and not. Genesis 19 is usually the passage used to justify an anti-homosexuality stance in the bible. But the city of sodom was destroyed after MANY OTHER problems described in great detail. The passage which condemns homosexuals to death (LEVITICUS 20:13) comes from a book which also includes passages which proscribe death for things like adultery, and LEV 21 even forbids worshippers from getting haircuts:

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Originally Posted by leviticus
They shall not make baldness upon their head, neither shall they shave off the corner of their beard, nor make any cuttings in their flesh.
Have a look at this website: http://www.religioustolerance.org/hom_bibl.htm

Meh, having researched all of this so much, it never ceases to amaze me how little people are willing to accept the bible as a HISTORICAL document which it clearly is. But I digress.
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post #74 of 278
1/13/06 at 4:23pm
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Originally Posted by 130_R
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Originally Posted by BladeRunner302

Word... people like Jerry Falwell don't represent the majority of Christians and religious people. In fact, they don't really represent anyone.
The anti-gay christian establishment is much larger than you think. Why are preachers like Billy Graham able to put 80-100k people in a football stadiums for a sermons across the country if they don't represent anyone.
Its interesting - I think a lot of those people have sort of an instinctual knee-jerk fear of homosexuality based on religious stuff inculcated upon them. But if you ask them if they really think all homosexuals should be killed, or converted, or be celebate etc you dont always get the answers you'd expect.
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post #75 of 278
1/13/06 at 4:26pm
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Originally Posted by blm14
The thing that really annoys me about this debate (not here specifically but in society generally) is how selective people are about thing. For instance, the argument that 'homosexuality is unnatural' is explicitly not the case. Homosexual behavior has been observed across the spectrum in the animal kindom including amongst wolves, monkeys, pengiuns, pretty much everywhere you look. Some fishes and amphibians are even capable of changing gender spontaneously. There's a kind of fish which is female as a juvinile and once it reaches a certain size ALL INDIVIDUALS become male!

Even bible literalists seem to be very selective in terms of what they take seriously and not. Genesis 19 is usually the passage used to justify an anti-homosexuality stance in the bible. But the city of sodom was destroyed after MANY OTHER problems described in great detail. The passage which condemns homosexuals to death (LEVITICUS 20:13) comes from a book which also includes passages which proscribe death for things like adultery, and LEV 21 even forbids worshippers from getting haircuts:

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Originally Posted by leviticus
They shall not make baldness upon their head, neither shall they shave off the corner of their beard, nor make any cuttings in their flesh.
Have a look at this website: http://www.religioustolerance.org/hom_bibl.htm

Meh, having researched all of this so much, it never ceases to amaze me how little people are willing to accept the bible as a HISTORICAL document which it clearly is. But I digress.
Ben, the problem is that many preachers use their power to forward their social and political agendas and not to teach the historical stories and information presented in the bible.
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