Getting disappointed with Diesel  

Re: Getting disappointed with Diesel

Its just too expensive to have stuff made in italy any more. I can understand, if not condone, the practice.

Of course. They figured out that they can use the labor of children chained to machines and make nice looking garment muuuuuch cheaper. Its not only Diesel. Levis stopped making their jeans in the USA years ago. Well, at least the children who are making these clothes are doing at good job, right?

Diesel used to make everything in Italy because back in the day they weren't as popular and hence; not in such a demand. Nowadays with jeans and shirts being sold once every 10 minutes, it's almost impossible to make everything in Italy without A) Raising prices B)Making them less accessable to consumers. Things that are made in China usually don't fit right. If they had 2 exact same shirts, one made in Italy and the other in China, the one from Italy would fit 100x's better. It's not just China that makes Diesel. India, Thailand and Bagladesh also make'em. Unfortunately these countries were hit hard with the tsunami. Let's just hope that they can recover soon and they can rebuild their loses piece by piece.

I wouldn't be mad at Diesel though. Their are plenty of other companies that sell $$$ but make poor quality. Take J. Lindberg for example. $200 for a long sleeve shirt, where is it made? CHINA! Hoe about G-Star? Their was a t-shirt at a store selling for $80. Ok, must be good quality......nope, made in India.

I'd be more ok if they were in india rather than china...

Huahuahauhau....are you indian...man...that's so bias...I don't care where are they made as long as authentic...that's what quality control for

I love GUESS and most of their stuffs are made in india. I do business with indian people often and i know how they work and how honest they are. Chinese people will just take the designs and give the mto their relatives factory to copy and sell everywhere. They'd chop off a tiny bit of the labels on their goods and claim that they are seconds and sell everywhere to make themselves money. Look at those boxers you see on ebay e.g. fcuk etc. How can they sell 3 for 11 quids when each costs 14? I guess you are a chinese loving sort of guy to say i'm biased or still too young in the business world.

the way the chinese act does not represent their legitimate product. I told you again, it is not about where it's from but more likely about the quality control.

I guess you are a chinese loving sort of guy to say i'm biased or still too young in the business world.[/quote]

Well same to you to.....I guess you are indian loving sort of guy or too old in the business world ....I am 100% indonesian with no chinese blood, if there is may be it came from 1000 years ago also india also has more influence than china in terms of descendant...And I am not saying "i'd prefer indian product than china" just because of the people....[/quote]

the way the chinese act does not represent their legitimate product. I told you again, it is not about where it's from but more likely about the quality control.

I guess you are a chinese loving sort of guy to say i'm biased or still too young in the business world.[/quote]

Well same to you to.....I guess you are indian loving sort of guy or too old in the business world ....I am 100% indonesian with no chinese blood, if there is may be it came from 1000 years ago also india also has more influence than china in terms of descendant...And I am not saying "i'd prefer indian product than china" just because of the people

Let's put it this way, i refuse to spend $200+ on a pair of jeans made in the Republic of China. It's Either Italy or U.S.A but I don't know any good companys that make American made jeans. Sure I "could" say SFAM but they have absloutly no style or washes what so ever.

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I completely agree. Why support a company that one day is going to end up overtaking us thanks to our own greed. You couldn't be more right on target with your opinion diesel dreamz. Bless you.

In regards to India vs China, just on the human rights sense, I would prefer to buy items from India. Quality-wise I am not crazy about items coming out of either country. Diesel makes clothes in countries like Greece, Italy, Turkey and Morocco which usually turn out to be fine goods--but these countries are generally 1st world countries.

I might be wrong but those stuffs that are said to be made in the US are probably made in south US - mexico etc. like the von dutch. I really don't understand how anyone sees Von Dutch to be of any good...Diesel is just something beautiful...just got my KRATT 713 from dieselofmiami and they are absolutely gorgeous...

simply said, WHO REALLY CARES if they are made on the MOON or in China or in your backyard, if they are quality products and authentically produced, the country the factory resides in should not really be a concern, no?

yes they should, if you want you clothes to fit right.

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Turbo are you a complete idiot? It makes a huge difference to the people of the USA if your buying things made outside the country. It's called keeping your family or neighbors employed as well as keeping the economy going.

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In theory this swings either way. EG: Company outsources manufacturing to China, Company doubles profits in the next quarter, Company no longer needs to lay employees off.

The american economy has long been moving away from manufacturing anyways - for good or for bad, the trend is to have physical widgets made in places where it is cheaper to do so. In the end, this increases GPD and everyone benefits from that. That is, if you buy into the "rising tide floats all boats" economic model.

And don't tell me that people who were previously employed manufacturing product X (until the company outsourced the production of X to china) are now permanently unemployed. It is the nature of the capitalist market that jobs are ephemeral. Arguably a job-for-life kind of situation is a socialist thing. Its the workers job to behave in his best interest and find another job when he gets laid off.

I will conceed that someone who has been a machinist for 25 years making $30/hr at a union job may have trouble finding work if he cannot find a new job doing the same or similar type of work. But then you would expect that he's been saving some of that $30/hr * 8 hrs/day * 5 days/week * 50 week/yr (w/two week holiday per year, unpaid) * 25 years (which for those of you not mathematically inclined persons, is a million and half dollars) and can use a portion of it to get new job training. I have very little pity for people who are unwilling or unable to display a little f***ing adaptability

Sure, in theory, the shift from manufacturing to service based industry may have certain benefits--as well as the outsourcing of jobs--which tends to keep inflation very low. However, real wages are going down in great numbers, as the number of illegal immigrants are drying out our welfare system. Therefore taxes remain high and get higher. In a true capitalist society, we might actually get to KEEP the money we EARN and not have to subsidize the degenerate lifestyles of illegals.

There's a couple of problems with this. First off, you cannot state that the drop - or rather lack of increase - in real wages is due solely to either outsourcing or to illegal workers. First off, I don't think that illegals are eligible for welfare. In order to qualify for any of the federal welfare programs you must provide proof of either citizenship or US permanent residency status. In other words, you have to show that you have a social security number and pay INTO the social security taxes before you can collect out of them.

Second, I am sick of people complaining about illegal workers. They are just filling a demand. There is a legitimate demand in this country to find workers who will do jobs which americans wont do for the pay that employers are willing to give. If we were to get rid of all migrant/illegal workers from our country right now, every business which employs them would immediately find their payroll costs skyrocketing and the whole country would have to deal with the fallout. In other words, if you want only americans working in america, then you need to nip the problem in the bud: at the level of the supply. This is a basic supply-side argument. If you want americans working all american jobs, then you need to pay wages which americans are willing to work, and make sure that companies are not hiring illegal workers.

You should like a neo-con. [mod edit - post locked - buh-bye now]