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Someone here says that italiandepot sells diesel gray products. And also many ebay items (though authentic) are gray products (second quality). Anyone can confirm about this?

If so, what is the diesel company policy about gray products. Let's say it is true, then how come so many newer collection that italiandepot sells and there are many options on the size, don't you think if it's gray product then how come so many of them that sold by italiandepot or dieselofmiami or other authentic sellers can have them?

I understand that one of the ebay seller including italiandepot and dieselofmiami sell second quality (with obvious defects) but they are clearly stated and described, so we know which one is the second or not.

Above all, do you think that those sellers really only sell gray products only though state that jeans are first quality? give opinions.....
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Re: diesel gray products

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Originally Posted by seskoad
Someone here says that italiandepot sells diesel gray products. And also many ebay items (though authentic) are gray products (second quality). Anyone can confirm about this?
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Originally Posted by honestdave
Gray market
Function: noun
: a market employing irregular but not illegal methods; especially : a market that legally circumvents authorized channels of distribution to sell goods at prices lower than those intended by the manufacturer
I'm not sure if dieselofmiami is grey market per se, in terms of meeting the definition strictly. I don't know exactly how he is getting his items, but I can tell you that not all of them are seconds. I've gotten some jeans from him which are identical to the ones in the stores...

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Originally Posted by seskoad
If so, what is the diesel company policy about gray products. Let's say it is true, then how come so many newer collection that italiandepot sells and there are many options on the size, don't you think if it's gray product then how come so many of them that sold by italiandepot or dieselofmiami or other authentic sellers can have them?
Not sure I understand the meaning of all of your questions, but will try and break them down. First off, in terms of diesel's company policy, I don't know. I don't even think the store managers would know. You'd probably have to ask some mid-level executive in italy. Altho, I would ASSUME that diesel would frown upon any situation where they are not getting the prices they want. Of course, assuming that they made the price they wished originally, why should they care about the amount of markup made upon each step in the chain to retail?

As far as the numbers, I think this proves that they may not be grey market per se. Maybe these guys own stores and buy diesels legitimately to sell in the store, and then sell overstock on ebay? I know a couple of people who do that in NYC, maybe they do that in Miami? A store is a fixed size, you get a few defective jeans in a shipment, you've got some old models which you've had on the shelf for a while which are perfect and need room for new stuff... Does this qualify as grey market?

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Originally Posted by seskoad
I understand that one of the ebay seller including italiandepot and dieselofmiami sell second quality (with obvious defects) but they are clearly stated and described, so we know which one is the second or not.

Above all, do you think that those sellers really only sell gray products only though state that jeans are first quality? give opinions.....
I guess that all depends on what you define as seconds. I've seen variation in terms of the look of different pairs of diesels depending on when they were produced. For instance, my first pair of xrotuck 796s which I got from a flagship store have some wash differences from the pair I got more than a year later from bloomingdales. Does this mean one is a factory second or that they're just a little different? Maybe made with slightly different dyes by a different manufacturing crew? Hard to say.

I can tell you that of the jeans which I have gotten from dieselofmiami when he said 'first quality' when they came they were just as perfect as pairs I got from the diesel store. I have two pairs which I just picked up from him which he says are 'first quality' in the listing description. When they arrive I will take some high-quality pix of them and you can judge for yourself as to whether they are factory-seconds or not.
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Dieselofmiami and the other guy sell gray goods. A lot of their jeans are rejects that are missing either the original shine or something so small that most people wont notice it. At their current prices, however, I would rather buy from the Diesel store.
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blm, thanks mate for the explanation.

I am no expert in doing jeans business. Just common sense, if those authentic seller -like zathansrule said- sell second quality products then what the first look like? and furthermore, if there are numbers of second quality (authentic of course) does that mean it's a loss for the company?

As for buying from the store. yes, you are right but if you can save AU$100 from ebay than in store with same feature then why not?

an TV ads says: " I am rich but not stupid"
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Originally Posted by ZATHANSRULE
Dieselofmiami and the other guy sell gray goods. A lot of their jeans are rejects that are missing either the original shine or something so small that most people wont notice it. At their current prices, however, I would rather buy from the Diesel store.
Like I said, I will post pix of the jeans which he said were first quality and ya'll can make up your own minds (once I get back from vacation, receive the jeans etc obviously). I may actually wear a pair into the store to do a direct side-by-side.
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I have been checking out dieselofmiami's jeans and he clearly states on some of his jeans that there are little faults on them. Does this mean that when he is selling a pair of jeans that does not have a fault description on it that the jeans are identical to the type found in stores?
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From what I have seen if he doesn't have it listed as faulty, it is exactly what you would find in stores.
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Again, I will refer you to the person who complained in an earlier forum that the diesel 82h jeans he received lacked the shine of the jeans found in authorized retailers.

It may appear that the jeans are perfect otherwise, but unless you have a daily contact with these jeans, you will not realize the little imperfections that dieselofmiami and the other guy's jeans have.

It may not be a big deal to people cause many of them want to buy diesel jeans that are "close enough to perfect" and cheaper
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