Eh, it's not so much that they're super big right off the bat, it's that this wash seems to stretch out like CRAZY. I used to have a pair when I should've been wearing a 31 (occasionally 32) in most Diors. Someone told me to size up to a 32 since they were a skinnier MIJ fit, but within 3-5 wears, they stretched out a TON. They started out one size too big, and within a few wears, they were a good 2-3 sizes too big and I couldn't even keep them up. I'd say that I would be 30 in most washed Diors now with some 29s, but if I get a new pair of these, I'd prefer a 29, but would probably take a 28 over a 30.