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jeanetic 
as they all do....which is why I specifically mentioned the one I was referring to.
Yes, but you also claimed "I wouldnt go for skinnier in Shioner than you wear in Thavar if I were you" without even knowing which Shioner wash he was talking about. And basing this on your experience with a Shioner 8pn wash which notoriously runs very slim in the legs isn't that helpful to the original poster.
thavar4ever, as for the 8D4's, they definitely will stretch out a little. I found this wash to be slightly looser in the calf and thigh area than the other Shioner's I have worn, so you would likely be able to size down without ill effect. I was in search of a black wash so I bought the 8D4's on clearance at SSENSE a while back but unfortunately I didn't keep them long enough to provide you with a better review. I ended up selling them to pick up a pair of Thanaz 8DK (which still remains my favorite black wash to this day). Anyways, hope this helps.