Idk, the Grim Tim will stretch out in the waist and become about the same size as Thanaz. In the calve area, they're about the same size as Thanaz. Where are you getting your Grim Tim from? I have a pair in size 30x32 that have only been worn 10 days. They're broken in enough that you won't have to go through that painful first week. They already fit me like my Thanaz in size 30. Again, I wore them straight for 10 days, but that's all. I can show you the receipt showing I just got them. I'll let them go for $130.