you guys all say the same thing , you hate on the jeans just like ppl hated on thanaz 73j and then it blew up. zac efron is not that reason. 8c9 is gonna be a must have for most thanaz lovers. i can deal with a few scratch and claw marks. its got the classic back pockets that are always a crowd pleaser (amongst all the gawdy back pockets ), and the old school logo patch. the whiskering is very subtle and blended in very well. these are gonna be epic. i just need to find out how they run so i can order these asap.