Originally Posted by Darnoc
the front rise is about the same, the rear rise seems to be different though. my experience is that safado has a lower rear rise than viker for 30-32 waist, but Bio posted the opposite for 26-29 waist..
That might be true as my experience only relies on sizes smaller than 30.
^^OP: If you can get your hands on a Viker 71b in a tight fitting size in good condition and a nice lab, dont hesitate to cop. Imo, one of the most versatile washes and an all time classic with awsome but subtle details (not as loud as thanaz 71b).