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so they estimate that to you and me this whole thing will mean an extra $13.00 in our pay checks every week. WOO HOOOO!!!! I already spend half of that this morning on coffee and muffin.
post #52 of 142
^^yeah LOL

I could have really used that $15,000 tax break on my house Grrrr.....
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Originally Posted by notfrostyjosh View Post
THIS COUNTRY IS SO FUCKED UP
Go to china, you blame-america-first-er
post #54 of 142
Give him some credit at least. It's not like he came into presidency with a well going economy. The dept was already going out of control with the Iraq War and numerous other decisions of Bush, *whether you agree with them or not they still have cost a lot to our country. Take that and add it to the whole "recession" and Obama has quite a bit to clean up. And hey, at least he was being honest in one of his latest speeches stating something among the lines of "I don't 100% gurentee that it work. But it's better than doing nothing about it"

And anyways, it's been only like a month or so, how exactly is someone suppose to get the country out of over $2 trillion dollar debt from the war(might be wrong, just the first number I saw when googled), and then add the recession and bad economy on top...

He's not a miracle worker, he's still human and there is only so much he can do within such a short period of time.
post #55 of 142
Huh seems to me that we are in this economy situation due to some years when Clinton was in office and everyone was spending like its nobody's business. I love how everyone blames Bush for the economy issues *rolls eyes*

We are disagreeing about how Obama is spending this money, that has nothing to do with how long he has been in office for.
post #56 of 142
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Huh seems to me that we are in this economy situation due to some years when Clinton was in office and everyone was spending like its nobody's business. I love how everyone blames Bush for the economy issues *rolls eyes*

We are disagreeing about how Obama is spending this money, that has nothing to do with how long he has been in office for.
From this post I can ascertain three things:

- you want to have Rush Limbaughs baby

- you listen to too much talk radio

- you want to be Dick Cheney's heart transplant donor


In all seriousness, attempting to pin any of what has transpired over the last six months on Clinton is so narrow minded it shows complete ignorance. Clinton is not the president that allowed banking regulations to be relaxed to the point of complete and utter lawlessness. Neither did Clinton allow the treasury to sell off hundreds of billions of bonds to the Chinese. Clinton was a marginal president at best, but he didn't leave the country in an unimaginable financial crisis when he left office. The banking and credit systems are to the point of collapse, auto makers are leveraged to the point of bankruptcy, house/property values are declining at never before percentages and income to credit ratios are the highest in history. All those problems are from Bush's policies and happened as a direct result.

Your post comes across as nothing more than a bitter republican Bush apologist. While it is true that Clinton left some problems for Bush and Clinton wasn't anything more than a lackluster president the present shows he was better than Bush. Bush's legacy so far is a war on terror that has produced more lawsuits than results, wars in two countries where the popular opinion of our own military is that winning doesn't seem feasible and a financial mess that ranks third behind the great depression and reconstruction.
post #57 of 142
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wars in two countries where the popular opinion of our own military is that winning doesn't seem feasible
Iraq just held (violence free) election in which one third of the candidates were women...

you know, that might not be a good thing after all
post #58 of 142
Is it not true that the economy does better when a democrat is in office? and why.....because there is a whole lotta spending goin on.....someone has to pay for it sooner or later.....I think the government should step back stop this socialist BS.
post #59 of 142
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Originally Posted by 130_R View Post
From this post I can ascertain three things:

- you want to have Rush Limbaughs baby

- you listen to too much talk radio

- you want to be Dick Cheney's heart transplant donor


In all seriousness, attempting to pin any of what has transpired over the last six months on Clinton is so narrow minded it shows complete ignorance. Clinton is not the president that allowed banking regulations to be relaxed to the point of complete and utter lawlessness. Neither did Clinton allow the treasury to sell off hundreds of billions of bonds to the Chinese. Clinton was a marginal president at best, but he didn't leave the country in an unimaginable financial crisis when he left office. The banking and credit systems are to the point of collapse, auto makers are leveraged to the point of bankruptcy, house/property values are declining at never before percentages and income to credit ratios are the highest in history. All those problems are from Bush's policies and happened as a direct result.

Your post comes across as nothing more than a bitter republican Bush apologist. While it is true that Clinton left some problems for Bush and Clinton wasn't anything more than a lackluster president the present shows he was better than Bush. Bush's legacy so far is a war on terror that has produced more lawsuits than results, wars in two countries where the popular opinion of our own military is that winning doesn't seem feasible and a financial mess that ranks third behind the great depression and reconstruction.

I don't listen to Rush and I don't listen to talk radio, I'm deaf I'm not bitter either the only thing you got right was that I'm a republican for the most part.

So you blame all this "The banking and credit systems are to the point of collapse, auto makers are leveraged to the point of bankruptcy, house/property values are declining at never before percentages and income to credit ratios are the highest in history." on Bush?
post #60 of 142
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Iraq just held (violence free) election in which one third of the candidates were women...

you know, that might not be a good thing after all

It will only be good thing when the people that were elected do something to police their own country. When the US inevitably does pull out the terrorist attacks are not going to stop, because the end game for the terrorist organizations are to use fear to control the next election cycle.
post #61 of 142
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So you blame all this "The banking and credit systems are to the point of collapse, auto makers are leveraged to the point of bankruptcy, house/property values are declining at never before percentages and income to credit ratios are the highest in history." on Bush?
Not on the man, but on the entire reckless and irresponsible executive branch the existed under Bush.
post #62 of 142
Bush could have done better, yes of course, but I seriously don't like our government trying to be "responsible" for the economy like they really know best? I like a capitolist nation, what the government is etching towards is not that. I'm not saying I know how to fix the economy either, but on another note I find it odd that so many people Obama has tried to hire keep withdrawing? Maybe its just that I am watching the news more now and just now seeing so many withdrawals, but it seems like way more right now than normal? IDK?
post #63 of 142
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Originally Posted by mdg1976 View Post
Iraq just held (violence free) election in which one third of the candidates were women...

you know, that might not be a good thing after all
Give me a break.
the Iraq war was not worth the trillion dollars it cost us or the thousands of lives it took just so W could have a change in regimes. also not everyone participated in the election. about less than half of the population voted and have probably very little confidence in their government. i also seem to remember the Sunni factions were heavily disenfranchised.
post #64 of 142
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Bush could have done better, yes of course, but I seriously don't like our government trying to be "responsible" for the economy like they really know best? I like a capitolist nation, what the government is etching towards is not that. I'm not saying I know how to fix the economy either, but on another note I find it odd that so many people Obama has tried to hire keep withdrawing? Maybe its just that I am watching the news more now and just now seeing so many withdrawals, but it seems like way more right now than normal? IDK?
Bush could have done better please... he could have done better by shooting himself in the face, and his entire league of neo conservative advisers. He is probably the worst president in the history of our nation.
Would you rather have the private sector responsible for our economy? look where that got us: a gigantic gaping hole in our financial sector. and as for the withdrawls in his cabinet it makes sense; he assembled it in record time due to the conditions and made mistakes within the vetting process.
post #65 of 142
Politics discussions much?
post #66 of 142
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Originally Posted by blm14 View Post
Politics discussions much?
True

But this can stay until people get overly hostile

A little debating back and forth keeps things interesting, and can broaden your depth of view for a specific topic

But more then likely it will develop into a severe clusterf$%k within a few more responses or so
post #67 of 142
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Originally Posted by 130_R View Post
From this post I can ascertain three things:

- you want to have Rush Limbaughs baby

- you listen to too much talk radio

- you want to be Dick Cheney's heart transplant donor

I find it very interesting that people are so concerned about talk radio these days.

Rush Limbaugh is a private citizen and so many in government keep whining about him, including the president. I don't remember Clinton crying about him. I am not a big fan of Rush but it will be a sad day for us all when the voices of dissension are silenced in this country with the Fairness Doctrine. So many value freedom of speech, but only if it agrees with their opinion. If it doesn't then it needs to be destroyed. It’s a crying ass shame.

I am not really talking about 130_R but just so many people in general concerned about talk radio.
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Originally Posted by sultrysiren View Post
I find it very interesting that people are so concerned about talk radio these days.

Rush Limbaugh is a private citizen and so many in government keep whining about him, including the president. I don't remember Clinton crying about him. I am not a big fan of Rush but it will be a sad day for us all when the voices of dissension are silenced in this country with the Fairness Doctrine. So many value freedom of speech, but only if it agrees with their opinion. If it doesn't then it needs to be destroyed. It’s a crying ass shame.

I am not really talking about 130_R but just so many people in general concerned about talk radio.
I listen to talk radio and my comment was more of a jest thing. I listen to NPR, Neil Boortz and Clark Howard on a regular basis. I try to balance out the NPR obama-love with some Boortz obama-hate.
post #70 of 142
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Originally Posted by guest2634 View Post
Bush could have done better, yes of course, but I seriously don't like our government trying to be "responsible" for the economy like they really know best? I like a capitolist nation, what the government is etching towards is not that. I'm not saying I know how to fix the economy either, but on another note I find it odd that so many people Obama has tried to hire keep withdrawing? Maybe its just that I am watching the news more now and just now seeing so many withdrawals, but it seems like way more right now than normal? IDK?
Go do some research on both Reconstruction and the New Deal, the government has been middling in the economy for a long time. Heck the entire revolution was more about keeping the colonies tax money in the colonies instead of sending it back to England. You know that whole Boston Tea Party thing?

The funny thing about this economic stimulus plan is the amount of attention it is getting. Most years there is an economic stimulus bill passed but no one hardly cares about, but this one has caused quite the outrage. Last year there was a stimulus bill passed, you know the one that sent out the $600 checks. Well guess what those $600 checks where, an advance on your 2009 tax return which you will either have to pay back or not receive in your return. Wasn't a whole lot of outrage about that bill at the time it was passed, but now that people have found out what was really going on they are like WTF!

Also, this stimulus bill is nothing like what Roosevelt the II implemented in the New Deal. You know, the largest and most comprehensive civilian government spending program in our history.
post #71 of 142
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Originally Posted by 130_R View Post
I listen to talk radio and my comment was more of a jest thing. I listen to NPR, Neil Boortz and Clark Howard on a regular basis. I try to balance out the NPR obama-love with some Boortz obama-hate.
Boortz is awesome. I really like Larry Elder, another Libertarian, but I cannot catch him here in Wilmington anymore because Dennis Miller is on now.

I like Clark Howard as well even though he really isn't all that political. He always has good financial advice.
post #72 of 142
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Originally Posted by 130_R View Post
Go do some research on both Reconstruction and the New Deal, the government has been middling in the economy for a long time. Heck the entire revolution was more about keeping the colonies tax money in the colonies instead of sending it back to England. You know that whole Boston Tea Party thing?

The funny thing about this economic stimulus plan is the amount of attention it is getting. Most years there is an economic stimulus bill passed but no one hardly cares about, but this one has caused quite the outrage. Last year there was a stimulus bill passed, you know the one that sent out the $600 checks. Well guess what those $600 checks where, an advance on your 2009 tax return which you will either have to pay back or not receive in your return. Wasn't a whole lot of outrage about that bill at the time it was passed, but now that people have found out what was really going on they are like WTF!

Also, this stimulus bill is nothing like what Roosevelt the II implemented in the New Deal. You know, the largest and most comprehensive civilian government spending program in our history.

Of course the government has been meddling a while, but that doesn't mean they fixed things back then either. You just listened to your 5th grade teacher about it when she said that Roosevelt's programs "fixed" the depression....

Why is it funny that this stimulus is getting so much attention? It is the largest and the economy is at a historical 2nd low. Of course it will get attention!
post #73 of 142
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Originally Posted by guest2634 View Post
Of course the government has been meddling a while, but that doesn't mean they fixed things back then either. You just listened to your 5th grade teacher about it when she said that Roosevelt's programs "fixed" the depression....

Why is it funny that this stimulus is getting so much attention? It is the largest and the economy is at a historical 2nd low. Of course it will get attention!
hahahaha, excellent analysis there!
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Originally Posted by adam3k View Post
To what?? This...

"This country wants a New Deal, including on energy and health care, not a New Deal lite." Frank Rich

Given that in the 1920's the government stayed out of the economic decline and our country recovered in about a year. Then in the 1930's the government put price restrictions on companies and printed a sh*tload of money which prolonged the depression for nearly ten years!!

I am giving Obama a chance, but so far I am not impressed.
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