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post #1 of 280
12/10/08 at 7:20pm
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I changed this to show that all of us want to make a change here. I should point out that everyone has been throwing ideas around to help....

Some of these ideas have been talked about for a while , they just havent been put into words in a thread

I hope I havent offended any mods here, as for the most part I just copied and pasted what was written to Dave, we should have stated ALL OF US are trying to help and have been bouncing ideas

All of us mods ( and myself) want constructive ideas to make this place better.

We are sick of seeing good people leave, and I am tired of hearing complaints by people who get offended at the drop of a hat. We are bleeding members here, and we want to try and stop it

We also am seeing members tear others apart for no reason, some deserve it, some dont

We need to make serious changes here and allow this place to grow

Heres a few ideas we would like to implement, give me your feedback

#1 I love the idea of an "Enter at Your Own Risk Section"

#2 Clear and well worded rules as to how you get punished/banned and NO DEVIATION FROM THE RULES. Mods will also be held accountable to the members

#3 Delete older sections that arent used often , it makes this site look tired and behind the times

#4 Have a section devoted solely to higher end little known names, it would open up a world of new brands to people who know nothing about them

#5 Give members a much longer leash. No locking or removing threads unless they absolutley have to be ie Threats of extreme violance and rascism ect. And those that get just lould move them to the "enter at your own risk" section

#6 Possibility of bringing back the old mall?

#7 Merge some of the more mainstream brands into a single section ie TR and R&R

Please be constructive in your replies

I like this place and a great many of its members. We need both the bleeding hearts and the loud mouth posters to keep this place running on an even keel.

It would be dull as all hell without witty retorts and interesting people, and I think we may have been too quick to ban in the past...


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post #2 of 280
12/10/08 at 7:24pm
All of those ideas sound fantastic and would be a great step forward towards improvement (although I'm not sure about #5, some order needs to be kept). I think bringing back the old HM would be great, or perhaps linking it with the new one. I like that the new one makes it easier to find things, but it feels a bit impersonal. I think making a larger section devoted to different raw denim brands would be smart, as there seems to be a strong following behind it. Perhaps we might also need to start expanding beyond denim and putting more of an emphasis on other apparel/lifestyle?
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post #3 of 280
12/10/08 at 7:28pm
awesome. props cutup on taking the initiative and getting some ways to improve down on paper.

here is our rules page (which probably could use some updating)
http://www.honestforum.com/rules.php

looking forward to seeing everybody's replies.
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post #4 of 280
12/10/08 at 7:33pm
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Other items that will not be tolerated:
  • free ipod spam
  • get rich quick schemes
  • insults towards other members
  • threats of bodily harm,
  • the "c" bomb
  • snide comments about how stupid the forum is or the stupid people who buy designer clothing
What's the "c" bomb?
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post #5 of 280
12/10/08 at 7:36pm
Good work Chris, some great points.

I do however also disagree with #5. The big issue lately is a little too much 'leash'. There has been a serious all around lack of respect for one another. It seriously reminds me of petty highschool behaviour.

You start ganging up on someone just because you dont like them, or posting rude pictures to demean them, your post should be edited. It persists, the thread gets locked or moved to this possible '@ your own risk' section.

Thats just my opinion, have your fun and make your jokes, but being disrespectful should not be tolerated. Once perhaps a new definition of the term is set out and clearly outlined, moderators can become more consistent with and without constant questioning of decisions. I agree that they are sort of vague right now...

I am looking forward to hearing everyone's ideas and responses.
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post #6 of 280
12/10/08 at 7:37pm
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Originally Posted by sodamnred3 View Post
[/list]What's the "c" bomb?
I think c*nt if I am not mistaken...
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post #7 of 280
12/10/08 at 7:37pm
balance is hard. its an art more than a science.

i get pm's from people saying the mods and I are being too strict and other pm's saying the mods and I need to be stricter.
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post #8 of 280
12/10/08 at 7:41pm
  • "enter at your own risk" forum
  • rewrite of rules
  • thread with all bans, justification for bans and pointing out what rules were broken
  • allow members to appeal staff decisions
  • style forum (living space, cooking, grooming)
  • old mall revival
  • get rid of the COH and TR forums, just make them one big giant authenticity check in the other labels forum
  • increase pm space
  • unban aco
  • dont let people (including staff) abuse their status by posting affiliate links (even in the proper forum). we're here to contribute to your knowledge, not your wallet
  • instate 1 co-admin and 3 good moderators for the entire forum. let the report button and what the mods stumble upon contribute to the handling of shit. just because a user is an expert on something doesn't necessarily mean theyre the best mod
  • get ad programs setup with few trusted advertisers (revolve, context, yoox) and stop using adsense/rotation ads
  • blacklist the words: ed hardy, christian audigier, affliction, muscle milk, size up and rhine stones
  • buy the domain jawnsforum.com and switch the dns immediately
  • de-clutter forum (refer to hf redesign thread for my proposals

this is all
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post #9 of 280
12/10/08 at 7:41pm
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Originally Posted by Dave View Post
balance is hard. its an art more than a science.

i get pm's from people saying the mods and I are being too strict and other pm's saying the mods and I need to be stricter.
I completely agree, a lot of both, but I think this has a lot to do with the shall we say 'vagueness' of the respect rule and some of the others.

Hopefully maybe modifying and making the rules more specific with behavioural examples will allow people to understand and accept disciplinary decisions.
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post #10 of 280
12/10/08 at 7:41pm
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Originally Posted by MISSPOOKIE View Post
I think c*nt if I am not mistaken...
interesting how that word in particular was so much of a problem at the time the rules were written that it required separate mention from the "no vulgar language" rule
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post #11 of 280
12/10/08 at 7:43pm
I think having an enter at your own risk deviates from everything your trying to avoid....
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post #12 of 280
12/10/08 at 7:44pm
co-sign Mihalis' post
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post #13 of 280
12/10/08 at 7:45pm
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Originally Posted by Mihalis View Post
  • dont let people (including staff) abuse their status by posting affiliate links (even in the proper forum). we're here to contribute to your knowledge, not your wallet
  • blacklist the words: ed hardy, christian audigier, affliction, muscle milk, size up and rhine stones
  • buy the domain jawnsforum.com and switch the dns immediately
plus 1
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post #14 of 280
12/10/08 at 7:45pm
i like all of cutup's ideas, some of which i've mentioned before (either before or after he thought of em, i don't know)

1. having an "enter at your own risk" section, like SuperTrash on SuFu, would get rid of so many of the problems we've been having lately.

2. i think that "Fashion Fashion" is too broad a category to be just one brand, especially since it has more current action in it that all the mainstream designer jeans brands put together. I say make a whole "Footwear" subforum, a "High-end fashion" subforum and a "Budget fashion" subforum.

This would get rid of the problems of people posting their shoe stuff in chat, and help calm the people who get offended when they ask about something and get the "don't be such a cheap-ass" replies. The "High-end fashion" would cater to stuff from BoO to Geller to CCP, and the budget section would have American Apparel, mall store stuff, h&m, that kind of deal. If someone posted a "I need an m65" in the budget section, repliers would know not to suggest Geller, and that the guy was looking for something under $150 or so. Likewise if someone asked about m65s in the "high end" section, people would automatically know he was open to suggestions approaching $500-2k.

3. There seems to be a lot more interest in shoes here lately, so it would justify a footwear subforum imo- it would also encourage people to come here to discuss footwear, and we could get some good threads going with some stickies on "Shoe terminology", "What to look for in quality footwear", "Best online shoe shops" and "sizing info for popular brands"

4. The mainstream designer brands should definitely be combined, as the focus of this site has shifted significantly and its silly to pretend otherwise.

5. MAKE CUTUP KING OF MODS
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post #15 of 280
12/10/08 at 7:46pm
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Originally Posted by BEFORE_DISHONOR View Post
I think having an enter at your own risk deviates from everything your trying to avoid....
I disagree, it would actually help imo. This type of section keeps everything (and sometimes everyone) in one place. Id like to think of it as if you cant take the heat, get out of the kitchen. If you dont want to be a part of it then you would "enter at your own risk".
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post #16 of 280
12/10/08 at 7:46pm
Also, I would really like to come back and be an active member of this forum but what stops me are people that constantly get away with abuse... Obviously I don't need to name name's here we all know who constantly invokes problems in the forum.... I think that stronger action needs to be taken and the rules should be followed... Aside from that its really sad that I don't even feel comfortable using the mall here anymore I sure as hell am not going to purchase from someone that I see constantly disrespecting other members I wouldn't trust buying anything from them
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post #17 of 280
12/10/08 at 7:47pm
I know that when I first came on HF over two years ago, what really got me interested was the Diesel section. It was bustling back then, and a lot of members were always excited about the latest cuts and washes (I didn't really venture into the other sections other than HF-Chat and the mall, as they didn't interest me much). Nowadays, many people who used to post there are posting less frequently, if at all (where's JCD??) and people have become tired of Diesel. I think that many are just kind of tired about the topic, and we're not getting enough new blood to keep things interesting. The Dry Denim and Fashion Fashion sections were definitely a step in the right direction. Outside of Diesel and HF-Chat, those are the forums I frequent the most, and I think both could be expanded - giving the most popular brands in Dry Denim their own section (and maybe BoO too, everyone on this forum seems to love it). Obviously, I'm speaking mostly from a guy's perspective, but those are my two cents for now. Also, see my thread on finding an HF buddy. If a mod can get that idea working in a more organized fashion, then I think it would be a great way to inject some new life into our wardrobes and a more trading oriented aspect to the forum.
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post #18 of 280
12/10/08 at 7:48pm
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Originally Posted by MISSPOOKIE View Post
Yes, but this keeps everything in one place and Id like to think of it as if you cant take the heat, get out of the kitchen. If you dont want to be a part of it then you would "enter at your own risk".
but your saying that you will move threads in that get too heated. Plus who's to say someone doesn't start a thread solely to disrespect someone because they know they can get away with it in a particular section, to me that is promoting a problem not solving one
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post #19 of 280
12/10/08 at 7:52pm
^ i don't think the proposed forum wont exactly be a free for all. more like a "potentially nsfw/illegal/controversial content" forum
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post #20 of 280
12/10/08 at 7:53pm
sweet. 10 people viewing this. props cutup!

hmmm, what if we renamed it to Drama / If you can't take the heat

however overly disrespectful stuff would still fall under the rules. i honestly hate seeing shit like that thread that made fun of that girl with the car. that stuff disgusts me. you can go elsewhere on the internet for that. we would like to stay classy.
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post #21 of 280
12/10/08 at 7:57pm
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Originally Posted by Dave View Post
sweet. 10 people viewing this. props cutup!

hmmm, what if we renamed it to Drama / If you can't take the heat

however overly disrespectful stuff would still fall under the rules. i honestly hate seeing shit like that thread that made fun of that girl with the car. that stuff disgusts me. you can go elsewhere on the internet for that. we would like to stay classy.
Agreed on the second part, although I still think the two should be kept separate (you wouldn't want legitimate complaints being mixed up with all the other crap, although perhaps you could just get rid of the Drama forum altogether and make an "Enter at your own risk" forum and a "Complaints" forum. I was incredibly surprised that something like that had even ever been posted, as I had just came back to HF after a long time away. I didn't recall stuff like that being posted two years ago. I think that if a relatively unmoderated section were to be instituted, you would have to be very clear on what is allowed and what isn't (while still giving free range and having lax rules, which is the point). Penalties should still be severe for being way out of line in that section, as we wouldn't want it to be straight nasty.
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post #22 of 280
12/10/08 at 8:03pm
fuck. just tried to buy jawnsforum.com but somebody already has it...
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post #23 of 280
12/10/08 at 8:04pm
What about adopting some rules from other, more peaceful forums that are currently thriving. The Fashion Spot for example or The Purse Forum? They're both very peaceful and people go there with a purpose. The criticisms are always constructive and everyone is there to help. It seems they both offer a more relaxed and respectful environment.

Sometimes it's a bit "over modded", on both forums, in my opinion but if we toned down their rules a bit perhaps that would be just what HF needs?

Not sure, but it's a thought.
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post #24 of 280
12/10/08 at 8:04pm
picked up internetpantsforum.com the other day. if anybody wants to help me make a hf parody site (that doesn't piss people off) please pm me.
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post #25 of 280
12/10/08 at 8:11pm
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Originally Posted by Nova View Post
What about adopting some rules from other, more peaceful forums that are currently thriving. The Fashion Spot for example or The Purse Forum? They're both very peaceful and people go there with a purpose. The criticisms are always constructive and everyone is there to help. It seems they both offer a more relaxed and respectful environment.

Sometimes it's a bit "over modded", on both forums, in my opinion but if we toned down their rules a bit perhaps that would be just what HF needs?

Not sure, but it's a thought.

Thats a really good idea
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