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Diesel continuity

post #1 of 41
11/11/04 at 12:09pm
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Is it reasonable to assume that any pair of a certain type of diesel jeans will have all the same features as another pair of the same type? Apart from the finish of the jeans which vary from pair to pair, should all jeans of a certain type have exactly the same labelling and tags etc. Presumably they are all made in the same place and in the same way. I have a pair of authentic zathans from a diesel store and another pair I bought on the internet which look almost exactly the same but have different labels inside. Does this mean they are fake?
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post #2 of 41
11/11/04 at 12:30pm
I was wondering this myself... My answer would be "no", but I am not an expert on the subject matter. I have 5 pairs of Diesels now, and 1 pair (which I am about 95% sure are authentic) only has 2 tags on the inside. All my other ones have 3 tags. The pair with only 2 tags is the Lemmen in the 772 wash. I also have this style in the 770 wash, and it does have the 3rd tag. Everything else on the 772 looks perfect though, and I have no other reason to believe they're fake.
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post #3 of 41
11/11/04 at 12:31pm
Can someone with more experience (Dave??) help us out on this? Is it possible for a pair of Diesels to only have 2 inner tags? Thanks.
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post #4 of 41
11/11/04 at 12:36pm
The fakes I have seen have two labels in the front right of the jeans.
The authentics that I now sell have two labels in the front right of the jeans.

Check other things: wash, rips, microstitching, etc.
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post #5 of 41
11/11/04 at 12:42pm
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Originally Posted by honestdave
The fakes I have seen have two labels in the front right of the jeans.
The authentics that I now sell have two labels in the front right of the jeans.
Did you type this right? From what you're saying here, it sounds like both the fakes & authentics have 2 tags at the front right? I know some of my authentics have 3 tags int he front right. Please correct me if I'm wrong... *confused*
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post #6 of 41
11/11/04 at 12:57pm
Yep.
I have two pairs in my lap right now actually. One is fake and one is authentic. They both have the similar labels. In similar places.

I have not been to the diesel store lately to check if there are some authentics with 3 labels. Maybe somebody else can inform us.
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post #7 of 41
11/11/04 at 1:07pm
Well, I was about 100% sure my jeans with the 3 labels were authentic... since I had more of those than the 2 label ones. Also, all the ones with three labels are in the 770 wash... maybe this has something to do with it. I'm pretty sure (about 97%) that all my jeans are authentic. I can say with 100% certainty that at least one of them is authentic, having bought it at a high-end retail store, and it's the zathans in 770, with 3 tags. All the other jeans are very very similar in quality, etc. so I am inclined to say they are also authentic. Again, some of mine have 2 tags, some have 3. I'm guessing there is no contiunity (at least between different styles/washes, I'm guessing all jeans of the same style/wash would be consistent.)
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post #8 of 41
11/11/04 at 1:11pm
I have not gotten an opportunity to purchase 770's so I am not as familiar with that model. Take it to a store to see for yourself.

Have a great day.
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post #9 of 41
11/11/04 at 1:12pm
The 770s I bought from their store on Newbury St. here in Boston, so I'm pretty sure they won't tell me they sold me fake jeans
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post #10 of 41
11/11/04 at 1:14pm
I was more worried about the 2 tagged jeans being fake than the 3 tagged jeans anyway, but I guess you reassured me of their authenticity - Thanks Dave.
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post #11 of 41
11/11/04 at 3:19pm
i've gotten diesel jeans all from reputable retail stores. some have 2 tags, some have 3. i think it just varies. just because they have 2 tags or 3 tags doesn't make them fake, and if you are worried, even though you bought them for a reputable retail store, then i'd say you're just making your life more stressful than it should be.
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post #12 of 41
11/12/04 at 1:35am
Naw, what I said was that I bought the 3 tagged ones from a reputable store, so I wasn't worried about those. Then, I buy a new pair on eBay and it only had 2 tags, so that got me thinking... that's all.
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post #13 of 41
11/12/04 at 7:23am
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What I meant originally was that I have two pairs of zathans in a 710 wash. Although they look exactly the same and both have three labels inside, the labels are different. They both have the label with the indians head which are identical but the label with the washing instructions and jean details are completely different. Why would this be the case?
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post #14 of 41
11/12/04 at 10:44am
can you post pictures of the two next to each other?
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post #15 of 41
11/12/04 at 2:05pm
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Originally Posted by gospastic
can you post pictures of the two next to each other?
And also post a close-up of the Indian head as well please.
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post #16 of 41
11/15/04 at 3:49am
On the continuity topic, are all models exactly the same year after year, country to country?

The reason I ask is because I've seen some very authentic looking Zathans that don't have that "--v--" thing on the back pockets.

Are there any free ftp programs that I can download so I can upload some photos?
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post #17 of 41
11/15/04 at 11:55am
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Originally Posted by V8Pete
The reason I ask is because I've seen some very authentic looking Zathans that don't have that "--v--" thing on the back pockets.
... Different washes? I have a 770 w/o the v thing too... doesn't mean anything.
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post #18 of 41
11/15/04 at 12:22pm
ftp program - I think you can upload pictures to www.webzoom.com and then link them to the forum.

rock on.
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post #19 of 41
11/15/04 at 1:12pm
I posted real high quality pictures of Zathan 770 and the new Diesel Zaf tags. My Zathan 770 had 2 tags and my Zaf's had 3, so it does vary. All of my Diesel's have been purchased at the Diesel store, so they are authentic. I will be adding more with pictures of Zathan 772 and others. Let me know if you want other pictures...

http://www.myweb.uiowa.edu/kswinton/Diesel/diesel.htm
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post #20 of 41
11/15/04 at 1:23pm
kks,

can you post full pictures of the ZAF? diesel hasn't updated the denim guide yet, and i'm too lazy to go all the way downtown to check out the new models.

how do they fit? are they similar to zathans?

i saw an auction already for them a few days ago from italiandepot, but it went away pretty quickly.

there was also an auction for a model called "Sanon", which i would also assume is a new model.
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post #21 of 41
11/15/04 at 1:54pm
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Originally Posted by gospastic
kks,

can you post full pictures of the ZAF? diesel hasn't updated the denim guide yet, and i'm too lazy to go all the way downtown to check out the new models.
I just added full pictures of the ZAF to that site for you. I love these jeans.



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Originally Posted by gospastic

how do they fit? are they similar to zathans?

i saw an auction already for them a few days ago from italiandepot, but it went away pretty quickly.
These are essentially an update to the X-Rotucks. They are a little looser in the thigh and slightly longer than normal. The rest of the leg feels similar to the Zathans.
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post #22 of 41
11/15/04 at 4:22pm
thanks for the pics. the back pocket design is awesome.
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post #23 of 41
11/15/04 at 6:08pm
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Originally Posted by kks
I posted real high quality pictures of Zathan 770 and the new Diesel Zaf tags. My Zathan 770 had 2 tags and my Zaf's had 3, so it does vary. All of my Diesel's have been purchased at the Diesel store, so they are authentic. I will be adding more with pictures of Zathan 772 and others. Let me know if you want other pictures...

http://www.myweb.uiowa.edu/kswinton/Diesel/diesel.htm
In your pictures, your 770s have 3 tags... Mine also have 3 tags... have you misstated something here?
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post #24 of 41
11/15/04 at 6:13pm
What wash are those Zafs in? To tell you the truth, I was never too fond of the X-rotuck's back pocket, and the Zafs fall along the same line, I think they are too detailed and overdone. I did notice though, that this is one of the jeans without the double-back belt loops. I did like this pair of Rotucks, but just because the back pocket is more subtle:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...e=STRK:MEWA:IT

Just wondering, what's the difference in fit between the Rotucks and the Zathans? Are the rotuck's and the zaf's the only style without 2 back beltloops?
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post #25 of 41
11/15/04 at 6:55pm
the zathans have a very squared waist. for me at least, it means that in order for my thighs to fit in them, i have to get a waist size that is much bigger than normal.

with the x-rotucks, it is more snug around the waist relative to how tight they are around the thighs.

for example, if i were to get both jeans that had the same thigh tightness, the x-rotucks would be tighter around the waist than the zathans would be.

and also, lots of diesels come with one back beltloop.
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