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Black Scissors Jackets

post #1 of 70
11/2/08 at 4:15pm
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I know there is already a huge dedicated thread at SuFu but I hate that message board so I'm doin it here.

Has anybody had any experience with this company?
If you have purchased a jacket from them, could you post a picture of the fit and size?
Obviously if its custom there would be no need to mention size but I would still appreciate pictures.

I'm thinking about getting my first leather jacket from them and I wanted to see some better examples than the ones on the website. Thanks
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post #2 of 70
11/2/08 at 5:01pm
they make glorified fakes and make money by stealing ideas from other designers. fuck blackscissors and anyone who buys their shit.
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post #3 of 70
11/2/08 at 5:23pm
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wow that was horribly unhelpful. Anyone else willing to take a stab at the topic?
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post #4 of 70
11/2/08 at 5:26pm
how much more help do you need? don't buy one. they are fake/knockoffs, so basically against everything this community should stand for.
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post #5 of 70
11/2/08 at 5:28pm
i thought black scissors couldn't make "inspired" jackets anymore?
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post #6 of 70
11/2/08 at 5:29pm
i actually thought they didn't take orders at all anymore for anything. but it shouldn't matter anyway because they are thieves and should not be supported.
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post #7 of 70
11/2/08 at 5:36pm
nothing is original anymore.
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post #8 of 70
11/2/08 at 6:43pm
so what their deal

u just send pics of a designer brand jacket

and they copy it for cheap?
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post #9 of 70
11/2/08 at 7:26pm
^ Yeah pretty much - and it's tailored to your measurements, so it should fit better

Not sure if I'd call them fakes (because they're not branding them) but they are copying the design - and they're proud at how well they can copy - soooooo, it's up to you to decide what you think of that
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post #10 of 70
11/3/08 at 3:58pm
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Originally Posted by jskidder View Post
i actually thought they didn't take orders at all anymore for anything. but it shouldn't matter anyway because they are thieves and should not be supported.
How is that different than taking a BoO shirt to your tailor and having him copy it?

Since BS can't do Rick Owens/Dior Homme 'bootlegs' anymore, what's the harm in having them cut you a jacket to your specific tastes/dimensions?

Not to mention they are cheaper than the stuff most people are buying.
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post #11 of 70
11/3/08 at 4:19pm
who does that with BoO? that is shameful as well imo.

and regardless of what you have them make, if you buy from black scissors you are supporting criminals in my book. i don't care if its cheaper, if you can't afford something real that you want find something you can afford or get a different jacket. what you are saying is along the lines of letting a child molester babysit your kids because they charge less that the other nanny and they claim that they stopped raping infants.
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post #12 of 70
11/3/08 at 4:31pm
I will call friends who buy rip off stuffs from H&M "criminal" from now on too.
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post #13 of 70
11/3/08 at 4:33pm
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Originally Posted by jskidder View Post
who does that with BoO? that is shameful as well imo.

and regardless of what you have them make, if you buy from black scissors you are supporting criminals in my book. i don't care if its cheaper, if you can't afford something real that you want find something you can afford or get a different jacket. what you are saying is along the lines of letting a child molester babysit your kids because they charge less that the other nanny and they claim that they stopped raping infants.
lol sometimes you're way too hardcore about *clothes*. I see nothing wrong with somebody attempting to copy a well-designed piece of clothing, whether it be a ro jacket or a boo shirt.

A copied BoO shirt would probably not fit quite as good or have quite the same look or feel as an original one, and by the time you go through all the effort will end up probably being nearly as expensive as the original. And how is asking a tailor to copy a BoO shirt any different than asking them to tailor a shirt to your body by adding pleats/darts/slimming sleeves, etc?

Likewise, I would buy dior/ro leather (if i could afford it) if i thought it was the best combination of fit, quality and artistic merit available, including a tailor's copy. Furthermore, if off-the-rack clothes are significantly more expensive than something a tailor can custom-make at equal quality, aren't you getting ripped off?

if blackscissors used drastically inferior leather and construction and marketed it as "exactly like the original" it would be wrong but i really don't see where you're coming from.
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post #14 of 70
11/3/08 at 4:36pm
Comparing people who make knockoffs and child molestors is a bit extreme.

On one hand if something is an exact replica... I can see where jskidder is coming from... but if it's simply the cut of the jacket that is being modeled after...since when someone owns a patent on the fit of a garment? Design yes, fit no.
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post #15 of 70
11/3/08 at 4:36pm
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Originally Posted by jskidder View Post
who does that with BoO? that is shameful as well imo.
Taking favorite garments to custom clothiers to have them copied is hardly a new thing. Any custom clothier will do this.

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Originally Posted by jskidder
what you are saying is along the lines of letting a child molester babysit your kids because they charge less that the other nanny and they claim that they stopped raping infants.
Normally I think you have your head screwed on straight, but comparing bootlegging of clothing to the molestation of children is just silly.

I understand your logic, but I would argue that this is done in so many walks of life that it is silly to get bent out of shape over it.

Your logic could be extended to telling people not to buy generic prescription drugs, or generic replacements for car parts instead of the wildly expensive OEM ones, or even to telling people not to buy the CVS brand of mouthwash because then the thieves at CVS will win. While I appreciate your appreciation of originality and craftsmanship, there is also a large market for generic stuff.

I don't put BlackScissors on the same level as people who sell fake Diesel jeans on eBay for $30. I just can't get there. BS is being honest with their customers; no one thinks they are buying genuine stuff. Everyone who buys from them is making an informed decision, and I think it's more of a "hate the game, not the player" situation.
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post #16 of 70
11/3/08 at 4:40pm
can't i hate the game AND the player? why is it always one or the other...
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post #17 of 70
11/3/08 at 4:44pm
^i was gonna edit mine to throw the generic drugs comparison in there, but looks like ross got it.

so who *IS* completely ethical? only the top, most innovated designers who copy nothing and invent everything from scratch? we all know the trickle-down cycle of fashion (runway>boutiques>upscale retailers>mall stores>walmart in a few years)- are all the people under geller/slimane/etc. wrong to take inspiration from the best? this really is completely different than buying fake jeans that are vastly inferior made with cheap labor, materials, etc and claiming to be the real thing.
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post #18 of 70
11/3/08 at 4:50pm
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Originally Posted by jskidder View Post
can't i hate the game AND the player? why is it always one or the other...
I guess you can.

But some of us recognize that having alternatives to heinously overpriced stuff is a good thing.

If I didn't think leather jackets were the tackiest fucking items of clothing on earth, I'd be all over BS. Spending $500 and being able to direct the designer on your specific preferences beats spending $2500 (after you've looked for months all over the web and at shops like Atelier) for an off-the-rack item any day of the week.

I too am a big believer in craftsmanship and for that reason I like what BS is doing. I am not a big believer in snooty overpriced labels and the haughtiness that goes along with wearing them.

I can't call someone doing made-to-measure stuff a thief. I just can't get there.
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post #19 of 70
11/3/08 at 5:58pm
Didn't Hedi copy the APC New Standard with a few small alterations to make the Dior 21cm cut?

Just sayin
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post #20 of 70
11/3/08 at 5:59pm
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Black Scissors doing essentially the same thing Thick as Thieves? Making nice custom made garments for less than the "big names" sell them for.
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post #21 of 70
11/3/08 at 6:02pm
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Originally Posted by jskidder View Post
if you want some apc that fit similar to your 19cm, find some cures (not new cure, but the original cure cut). not sure if you're aware, but both dior cuts that hedi designed are reproductions of apc cuts. 19cm is based on the cure and 21cm is based on new standard. both are slightly tweaked, but fit is almost the same. hedi always wore apc jeans before he started at dior, and actually still does wear apc a lot though he wears his own dior jeans usually.
guess you shouldn't wear Dior
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post #22 of 70
11/3/08 at 6:10pm
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post #23 of 70
11/3/08 at 6:22pm
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Originally Posted by Zacdog View Post
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Black Scissors doing essentially the same thing Thick as Thieves? Making nice custom made garments for less than the "big names" sell them for.
TaT doesn't do anything 'inspired' like BS did (essentially copy RO/DH/VA jackets and market them as copies for cheap), they just make custom pieces
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post #24 of 70
11/3/08 at 6:32pm
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Originally Posted by Zacdog View Post
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Black Scissors doing essentially the same thing Thick as Thieves? Making nice custom made garments for less than the "big names" sell them for.
Not quite. BS has stopped their straight-up reproduction business because of issues like the ones we are discussing here. They were essentially copying jackets from RO et al, down to the cut and the intricate details.

TasT just makes almost-custom suits for not much $$. It would be much harder to point to someone like TasT and say "You guys are copying Hugo Boss/Armani etc" than it would be to notice that BS had produced a straight-up copy of a Rick Owens jacket.
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post #25 of 70
11/3/08 at 6:37pm
Both of you guys are correct, but since black scissors has stopped making the repros, wouldn't it be close to the same now?
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