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post #26 of 56
10/31/08 at 12:20pm
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Originally Posted by notfrostyjosh View Post
i hope franken wins
I'm one of a handful of people on this forum who actually gets to vote for/against him.

Most expensive Senate campaign in history. What a waste...
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post #27 of 56
10/31/08 at 12:21pm
i can only assume youre voting in favor
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post #28 of 56
10/31/08 at 12:26pm
What really bugs me is how exactly did the mccain campaign get a hold of my cell phone number? Last time I checked, cell phone numbers are not that easily available as home ones.

...and here I though a real person was actually calling my cell...
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post #29 of 56
10/31/08 at 12:26pm
Back to the topic at hand...

McCain will also have to lower expectations if he wins. He wants to cut everyone's taxes. How will he pay for the wars? The $700 billion Wall Street bailout? Slash government spending to the bone? Yeah, let's flood a shrinking job market with even more unemployed people, this time from government jobs. That won't sink the economy.

And will the Congress approve of draconian cuts in the budget? If the Dems stand a chance in getting a veto-proof majority in the Senate, they're not going to go for that. McCain would have to compromise with them, leading to 'lowered expectations'.

Cutting government spending is only part of the solution. I do think we'll have to do something drastic, like possibly a spending freeze for a few years. Asking for a shared sacrifice, which used to be the modus operandi for fighting any war (Victory gardens, anyone?), is also in the cards, I think. And it's all got to be done very carefully, very slowly, so as not to upset the apple cart.
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post #30 of 56
10/31/08 at 12:27pm
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Originally Posted by Anton View Post
What really bugs me is how exactly did the mccain campaign get a hold of my cell phone number? Last time I checked, cell phone numbers are not that easily available as home ones.

...and here I though a real person was actually calling my cell...
Give me your number and I'll call you...

(yeshomo)
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post #31 of 56
10/31/08 at 12:34pm
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Originally Posted by notfrostyjosh View Post
i can only assume youre voting in favor
I'm undecided. This last bit of news to leak out about Coleman's wife smacks of personal attack. It may be true, and it may not have come directly from the Franken camp, but it's still too 'Swift Boat'-ey to me.

Coleman's a douchebag, that's for sure. But he's done a few right things as senator, and has bucked the GOP, even when he was Bush's "lickspittle" (quote from George Galloway) during Bush's first term. That being said, I can't bring myself to vote for him, either.

I may vote for Dean Barkley, the independent candidate. Or I may hold my nose and vote for Franken.
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post #32 of 56
10/31/08 at 1:06pm
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Originally Posted by biodiesel View Post
^Infinite42, You are obviously a Republican so there's little that a Democrat can do to convince you that he/she is telling you the truth and the same goes for a Democrat being told something by a Republican. People who are staunch and unrelenting supporters of a party tend to shoot the opposing messenger, regardless of the message.

I am saying that to the Democrats, Obama is REAL, to the Republicans, McCain is REAL... GET IT??

You neg whatever I say anyway
If you want candidates to ever be "real", you're going to have to rework the entire partisan system. "Real" people don't have to curb what they say to get support from a party.


The general discussion that this election is "up in the air" at this point astounds me just as much. Intrade Prediction Markets
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post #33 of 56
10/31/08 at 1:41pm
IMO they mostly tailor their messages to get support from the people in the middle, the Independents who do not have party affiliation and not necessarily get support from their respective own parties. Tailoring the message happens on both side of the fence. The whole concept that a candidate has to 'move to the center' and that it is seems to be completely acceptable is also disturbing.
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post #34 of 56
10/31/08 at 2:00pm
This whole "lowering your expectations after the deal is done" talk reminds me of marriage....
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post #35 of 56
10/31/08 at 2:10pm
jillyqueeeeeef
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post #36 of 56
10/31/08 at 3:09pm
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Originally Posted by biodiesel View Post
IMO they mostly tailor their messages to get support from the people in the middle, the Independents who do not have party affiliation and not necessarily get support from their respective own parties. Tailoring the message happens on both side of the fence. The whole concept that a candidate has to 'move to the center' and that it is seems to be completely acceptable is also disturbing.
Depends upon who they are trying to attract at a particular moment in the campaign.

Primaries: Obama was tailoring his message waay to the left, as a way to attract younger, more idealistic audiences.

Convention: McCain tailored his message to the right -- by appointing Sarah Palin -- as a way to attract religious fundamentalists, and the far-right wing of the Republican Party, which has never really been very fond of him.

Now: Both teams are tailoring their messages to the undecided voters, so they can mop up the last votes needed to defeat their opponent.
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post #37 of 56
10/31/08 at 4:38pm
It's really only a statement that his supporters are so many and so energized that this is even necessary (if that report is even factually accurate).

I think people realize that the next president is going to be handed what is, in some way, a broken country and will have to put the pieces together. Neither candidate really knows what's involved in the day-to-day running of the country, so whomever gets elected is ultimately in for a big wake-up-call. And if the rate of hair graying of the past few presidents is any indication, either one would have a lot to chew over.

People on both sides of the isle expect a lot from bureaucracy, but those move slowly and ponderously. Neither candidate is going to be able to reshape the country massively, so ideologues expecting quick results will be crestfallen irrespective of their political persuasion.
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post #38 of 56
11/1/08 at 4:25pm
you will all be sorry soon..............
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post #39 of 56
11/1/08 at 4:30pm
Oh stop being so fatalistic.
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post #40 of 56
11/1/08 at 8:37pm
i am voting for Paris Hilton. Obama and McCain are both garbage. I would rather throw away my vote.

Canada > USA
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post #41 of 56
11/1/08 at 8:38pm
Obama has already done a great job lowering my expectations of the Democratic Party.
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post #42 of 56
11/1/08 at 8:50pm
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Originally Posted by TRBigT View Post
Canada > USA
Well, yeah, geographically.
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post #43 of 56
11/2/08 at 4:12pm
Hmm, I don't remember racist remarks being made towards mccain supporters, Daily Kos: Look what happened at my house (A photo diary)

And, I don't remember obama supporters being assholes to trick-or-trickers, McCain Supporter Denies Candy To Children Of Obama Supporters On Halloween (VIDEO)

I also don't remember obama having affiliation with terrorist acitvities, McCain Was Strong Supporter Of Group Accused Of Terrorist Activities

And yet some how,

Obama's Church > McCain's __everything__????

Oh yeah, mccain is white and christian...Sooo of course he is completely right!

Sweet! More hate, discrimination, and racism!
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post #44 of 56
11/2/08 at 9:19pm
^ as usual, you're very randon, in an Anton sort of way....
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post #45 of 56
11/2/08 at 9:46pm
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Originally Posted by maddiconner View Post
^ as usual, you're very randon, in an Anton sort of way....
And slightly off-base, in an Anton sort of way....
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post #46 of 56
11/2/08 at 9:57pm
of course I meant to say random....
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post #47 of 56
11/2/08 at 11:32pm
I hear mccain would have someone appointed in a position just to change his diapers... Bush, possibly? Can anyone confirm this?
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post #48 of 56
11/2/08 at 11:58pm
in mother russia diapers change you
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post #49 of 56
11/3/08 at 1:51am
*soviet
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post #50 of 56
11/3/08 at 2:24am
no, theres no talking about communism in an obama thread dumbie whos side are you on
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