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Obama urged to lower expectations

post #1 of 56
10/31/08 at 7:14am
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Obama Lays Plans to Kill Expectations After Election Victory - FOXNews.com Elections

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Barack Obama's senior advisers have drawn up plans to lower expectations for his presidency if he wins next week's election, amid concerns that many of his euphoric supporters are harboring unrealistic hopes of what he can achieve
I wonder if this along with McCains sudden surge in the polls means trouble for Barrack. This one's going to be close so whatever side you're on... Vote!
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post #2 of 56
10/31/08 at 7:45am
Its FOXNews!
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post #3 of 56
10/31/08 at 7:50am
Only FOX would put "Kill" and "Obama" in the same sentence.
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post #4 of 56
10/31/08 at 8:40am
That article is pretty silly to me. There are 77 days between election day and inauguration day. A lot can happen in two and a half months so I don't think it's lowering expectations, it's about being real.
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post #5 of 56
10/31/08 at 8:42am
So why not be real now then?
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post #6 of 56
10/31/08 at 8:47am
Barack is doing the only logical and intelligent thing he can do. A lot of his supporters do hold high expectations of him. It's a catch 22. Sure he can do alot to help guide the nation but most American expect immediate results. Which is realistically impossible. There is no way one person can fix everything that's wrong with the US let alone do it in just 4 years. That shit is crazy. JEBUS save him if he does win the election.
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post #7 of 56
10/31/08 at 8:48am
Aren't both McCain and Obama being real in their own ways? It's up to the voter to decider whether they believe in your reality.

You just can't say that you are definitely gonna do XYZ next week because nobody can predict the future unless you believe in Michel de Nostredame.
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post #8 of 56
10/31/08 at 9:00am
I don't think people will be expecting immediate results, but I think it will be expected quicker. His whole campaign is a big reason for that. He has been promoting this "change" with the idea that it was coming immediately, but it seems now is starting to be real about this change. It will be interesting to see what expectations he will hold if making it to office.
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post #9 of 56
10/31/08 at 9:10am
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Originally Posted by biodiesel View Post
Aren't both McCain and Obama being real in their own ways? It's up to the voter to decider whether they believe in your reality.
i agree with what you're saying
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post #10 of 56
10/31/08 at 9:16am
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Originally Posted by biodiesel View Post
Aren't both McCain and Obama being real in their own ways? It's up to the voter to decider whether they believe in your reality.
Ridiculous. Candidates spend money to craft their public images and do the best they can to control what is thought about them/their platform/etc. Any candidate and/or his handlers should be cognizant not of the message they want to put out to the public, but to the message actually being received by the public. If Obama's team now thinks they've oversold the public, so be it.
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post #11 of 56
10/31/08 at 9:19am
^Infinite42, You are obviously a Republican so there's little that a Democrat can do to convince you that he/she is telling you the truth and the same goes for a Democrat being told something by a Republican. People who are staunch and unrelenting supporters of a party tend to shoot the opposing messenger, regardless of the message.

I am saying that to the Democrats, Obama is REAL, to the Republicans, McCain is REAL... GET IT??

You neg whatever I say anyway
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post #12 of 56
10/31/08 at 9:22am
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Originally Posted by biodiesel View Post
^Infinite42, You are obliviously a Republican so there's little that a Democrat can do to convince you that he/she is telling you the truth and the same goes for a Democrat being told something by a Republican. People who are staunch and unrelenting supporters of a party tend to shoot the opposing messenger, regardless of the message.

I am saying that to the Democrats, Obama is REAL, to the Republicans, McCain is REAL... GET IT??
Nice try, weakling. Try reading for comprehension next time.
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post #13 of 56
10/31/08 at 9:26am
Your desire to neg whatever I say in threads in several places just goes to prove my point anyway. Thanks for the attention.
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post #14 of 56
10/31/08 at 9:29am
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Originally Posted by biodiesel View Post
Your desire to neg whatever I say in threads in several places just goes to prove my point anyway. Thanks for the attention.
Your point was what again? And has what to do with my negs? I can only remember negging you in a handful of threads, but continue to think that you're the focus of my attention.
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post #15 of 56
10/31/08 at 9:30am
^ Hey bio, stop stealing my neg stalkers.
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post #16 of 56
10/31/08 at 9:32am
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Originally Posted by Infinite42 View Post
Ridiculous. Candidates spend money to craft their public images and do the best they can to control what is thought about them/their platform/etc. Any candidate and/or his handlers should be cognizant not of the message they want to put out to the public, but to the message actually being received by the public. If Obama's team now thinks they've oversold the public, so be it.

biodiesel is right about voters having to decide what is real for themselves
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post #17 of 56
10/31/08 at 9:38am
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Originally Posted by mdg1976 View Post
biodiesel is right about voters having to decide what is real for themselves
Well, sure, but that's a given. However, before the campaign, the average voter does not look at every vote a candidate has cast in the past, has not followed the candidates' personal or pre-political lives, or know who that candidate's political enemies or allies are. That perception is driven by what that candidate and his opponent(s) put out there for public consumption.
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post #18 of 56
10/31/08 at 9:59am
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Originally Posted by biodiesel View Post
^Infinite42, You are obviously a Republican so there's little that a Democrat can do to convince you that he/she is telling you the truth and the same goes for a Democrat being told something by a Republican. People who are staunch and unrelenting supporters of a party tend to shoot the opposing messenger, regardless of the message.

I am saying that to the Democrats, Obama is REAL, to the Republicans, McCain is REAL... GET IT??

You neg whatever I say anyway
And getting back to the (non-) substance of this piece of drivel, I made no assessment of Obama's message. Further, I challenge you to find ONE complimentary thing I've said about McCain. If you think McCain is real to most Republicans, you're either ignorant or kidding yourself.

Oh, by the way, I want Obama to win. Fool.
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post #19 of 56
10/31/08 at 10:31am
Spin aside, this is the clearest choice that voters have had since Clinton ran against papa bush in 92. Obama has stuck to his game plan and by and large has refused to apologize for believing in the power of government to have a positive effect on society. McCain's campaign has been playing catch-up and has changed its message many times, but it's still quite clear what president McCain would represent.
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post #20 of 56
10/31/08 at 10:40am
That article is written as if it were from a tabloid, with its unnamed sources.

The author is a journalist for the Times London, which, like Fox News, is also owned by Rupert Murdoch.

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Long considered the UK's newspaper of record, The Times was generally seen as a serious publication with high standards of journalism. However, some, including employees of The Times, feel it has gone downmarket since being acquired by Murdoch; they cite its coverage of celebrities as evidence, although this increased coverage of and emphasis on celebrity- and sports-related news is rarely given prominence on the front page. It is not without trenchant critics, however: Robert Fisk,[15] seven times British International Journalist of the Year, resigned as foreign correspondent in 1988 over what he saw as political censorship of his article on the shooting down of Iran Air Flight 655 in July 1988.
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post #21 of 56
10/31/08 at 10:57am
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Originally Posted by Infinite42 View Post
And getting back to the (non-) substance of this piece of drivel, I made no assessment of Obama's message. Further, I challenge you to find ONE complimentary thing I've said about McCain. If you think McCain is real to most Republicans, you're either ignorant or kidding yourself..
So if most Republicans don't think McCain is real and I would hazard to guess that most Democrats do not think he is real, then I guess by your latent admission, McCain is doomed to lose?


And I was not talking about you, you're not that important in the scope of this conversation. I was speaking in a general sense, that politically speaking people tend to disagree simply because someone is of an opposing party or group instead of actually taking out the time to examine and understand the content of the message.
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post #22 of 56
10/31/08 at 11:26am
The Daily Show > FOXnews
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post #23 of 56
10/31/08 at 11:33am
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Originally Posted by biodiesel View Post
And I was not talking about you,
Ah, so stating that I'm "obviously a Republican so there's little that a Democrat can do to convince you that he/she is telling you the truth" was intended to do what exactly?
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post #24 of 56
10/31/08 at 11:47am
i hope franken wins
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post #25 of 56
10/31/08 at 11:50am
To get you to reveal where you truly stood, Infinite... since you were somewhat beating around the bush. The rest of the message and my others were about people in general, not you.


I disagree with you sometimes and I agree with you sometimes. Like the possibility of another Sam Bowie in Portland. You can neg that Sevenkid
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