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Poll Results: Who will you vote for?

 
  • 22% (35)
    McCain / Palin
  • 56% (86)
    Obama / Biden
  • 3% (5)
    other
  • 5% (8)
    undecided
  • 12% (19)
    I can't vote (too young or not US citizen)
153 Total Votes  
post #151 of 337
fuck might have to vote for mccain
post #152 of 337
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Originally Posted by lauriebell View Post
and there is a difference between someone supporting the war and enjoying seeing people die.
How the hell is enjoying people get killed and supporting the war not the same thing?
post #153 of 337
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Originally Posted by Anton View Post
How the hell is enjoying people get killed and supporting the war not the same thing?
Uhh, ever hear of a the doctrine of "just war" - the people who enter into war under this doctrine most certainly DO NOT enjoy people getting killed but they do support war efforts for various reasons.

Read up: Just War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
post #154 of 337
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People support the war for many reasons. I doubt any of them are because they want to kill people. There are also rules and guidelines that must be followed during times of war. It's not just all out kill until one man stands. I mean you could drop a bomb but once the smoke clears they'll be hell to pay. The Geneva convention has regulations in place to prevent excessive use of force as well as various strick policies regarding the human treatment of POW and innocent civilians.

Geneva convention

Geneva Conventions - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
post #155 of 337
So, wait, is Laurie a touch conservative now or something?

You just keep going up and up in my book, darling.
post #156 of 337
Anton it must be said again.... Please Grow UP!!!


There are lots of people in this thread offering different views that can be supported with fact.. but you clearly are not one of them..
post #157 of 337
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Originally Posted by lauriebell View Post
Uhh, ever hear of a the doctrine of "just war" - the people who enter into war under this doctrine most certainly DO NOT enjoy people getting killed but they do support war efforts for various reasons.

Read up: Just War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
I must say I commend you Laurie for being a smart and educated woman who can see through the bias media.
post #158 of 337
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Originally Posted by lauriebell View Post
"The Just War Theory was asserted as authoritative Catholic Church..."

Well no wonder. I am not Catholic, I never went to church, a religious school, or read the bible. So I am completely not surprised that I didn't know that the not only is there a bible, but also a step-by-step directions of how to fight a war.

lol, thank god I am not religious.
post #159 of 337
It's about respecting someone else's life and ideas as much as you respect your own.
post #160 of 337
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Originally Posted by Anton View Post
"The Just War Theory was asserted as authoritative Catholic Church..."

Well no wonder. I am not Catholic, I never went to church, a religious school, or read the bible. So I am completely not surprised that I didn't know that the not only is there a bible, but also a step-by-step directions of how to fight a war.

lol, thank god I am not religious.
Keep reading and note the "international policy makers" and the phrase "OR POLITICAL JUSTICE"

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"Just War theory is a doctrine of military ethics of Catholic origin[1][2] studied by moral theologians, ethicists and international policy makers which holds that a conflict can and ought to meet the criteria of philosophical, religious or political justice, provided it follows certain conditions."
Regardless of it's history, such there is a way that people can support a war and not enjoy people being killed.

It's like saying "Oh Halloween is a pagan holiday, therefore you have to be a pagan to know about/celebrate it" Just has Halloween has evolved from its pagan roots, so has the idea of a "just war"

Also, I'd like to redirect you to the good point Cez brought up regarding the Genva Conventions - I would suggest you read up on that as well.
post #161 of 337
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Originally Posted by Cez1029 View Post
It's about respecting someone else's life and ideas as much as you respect your.
And you don't have to be Catholic to do that!
post #162 of 337
I want a cookie.
post #163 of 337
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Originally Posted by Krystaleahs View Post
I must say I commend you Laurie for being a smart and educated woman who can see through the bias media.
lol, no offense but that sounds like your kinda surprised there are such things as intelligent women.
post #164 of 337
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Originally Posted by Cez1029 View Post
lol, no offense but that sounds like your kinda surprised there are such things as intelligent women.
I'm giving her a compliment about her point of view of politics, not degrading women!
post #165 of 337
Women are into politics too!.....i didn't mean anything by it I just think its funny when people are surprised by things that don't seem that surprising is all. I am more shocked to hear that male American between the ages of 15-25 are not as involved or aware as they should be, seeing as it's they're future were playing with.
post #166 of 337
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Originally Posted by Cez1029 View Post
women
Blasphemy!
post #167 of 337
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Originally Posted by Cez1029 View Post
Women are into politics too!.....i didn't mean anything by it I just think its funny when people are surprised by things that don't seem that surprising is all. I am more shocked to hear that male American between the ages of 15-25 are not as involved or aware as they should be, seeing as it's they're future were playing with.
I agree. But anyone from the age of 15-25 should be more involved. I can't tell you how many people I hear voting for one party or another based off of others opinions.
post #168 of 337
I didn't want to post in this thread but the recent citing of "Just War" & The Geneva Convention made me chuckle.
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Regardless of it's history, such there is a way that people can support a war and not enjoy people being killed.
You only go to war for 1 reason...to win it..to accomplish this goal you have to kill people...more people than the other side..so in a sense you gotta "enjoy killing people" cuz you certainly won't enjoy losing.....killing people may not give you a "psychopaths high' but "to the victor belongs the spoils" kinda smoothes everything over.

I find it ironic that this "Just War" doctrine was originally a religious teaching considering most war in the history of the world has been fought for "religious reasons"

Do you honestly believe principles of The Geneva Convention are practiced?....ever hear of the saying "all's fair in love and war"?

It's laughable to think that in the heat of battle anyone stops and thinks to examine if their actions are "ethical"

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Originally Posted by Al Davis
JUST WIN,BABY

I'm done
post #169 of 337
Continuing the war in Iraq for much longer is a very bad idea.
post #170 of 337
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Originally Posted by sonicvoodoo View Post

I find it ironic that this "Just War" doctrine was originally a religious teaching considering most war in the history of the world has been fought for "religious reasons"
i would agree with this. i.e. - crusades, etc.
post #171 of 337
Sarah Palin sounds like a Minnesota-bred robot.
post #172 of 337
I think it's interesting that Sarah Palin isn't going to speak to the press... I think they're a little worried about what she'll say.
post #173 of 337
I think we should quit worrying about what one or the other is saying, promising, or doing and instead focus on the actual candidate.

Because in the end, be serious, you are basically either voting for a black or a white guy.

You either vote for the white guy and keep the US presidential history all-white... *yawn*

Or vote for a black guy and hope that some color in the white house will bring this country to a new and maybe a better level.

Basically, it's not that obama is saying anything new or different...it's just that here you have a black guy running for president...in basically the most racist(specifically black) country in the world...God Damn! Segregation, racism...heck the freakin' KKK was created here, and now we are still living with the left overs("The South")

Basically, that is the only reason I think people might feel a bit iffy about obama...not what he is saying...But that his skin color is black...Basically you know when you turn on the nightly news and hear something about someone killing someone...and that almost 99.9% of the time it's a black person...and here BOOM! here you have the most stereotyped, racism-attracting race be the president...
Just seems that it would be rather interesting to see how that works out...That we will finally see a black....basically not white male...as our president...Heck, just imagine the kind of inspiration that it will start, yes mostly on black people, but that literally if you try your best...and etc. etc. that race actually doesn't tell about what the person is capable of...basically a nation-wide proof that it's not the race of the person that matters but what is inside...that just because you happen to not be white and/or male that it doesn't mean you achieve great things...

I don't know, just seems rather interesting...Slavery one day, and a black president the next...

...and then here you have mccain, a white old dude... it doesn't even matter that he might have the same views as bush or any of that bs...the main thing is that he is white and old as shit...the same thing we had for 211 years...it's like...eh....you all think alike, lets someone different talk for a change...

post #174 of 337
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Originally Posted by Anton View Post
I think we should quit worrying about what one or the other is saying, promising, or doing and instead focus on the actual candidate.

Because in the end, be serious, you are basically either voting for a black or a white guy.

You either vote for the white guy and keep the US presidential history all-white... *yawn*

Or vote for a black guy and hope that some color in the white house will bring this country to a new and maybe a better level.

Basically, it's not that obama is saying anything new or different...it's just that here you have a black guy running for president...in basically the most racist(specifically black) country in the world...God Damn! Segregation, racism...heck the freakin' KKK was created here, and now we are still living with the left overs("The South")

Basically, that is the only reason I think people might feel a bit iffy about obama...not what he is saying...But that his skin color is black...Basically you know when you turn on the nightly news and hear something about someone killing someone...and that almost 99.9% of the time it's a black person...and here BOOM! here you have the most stereotyped, racism-attracting race be the president...
Just seems that it would be rather interesting to see how that works out...That we will finally see a black....basically not white male...as our president...Heck, just imagine the kind of inspiration that it will start, yes mostly on black people, but that literally if you try your best...and etc. etc. that race actually doesn't tell about what the person is capable of...basically a nation-wide proof that it's not the race of the person that matters but what is inside...that just because you happen to not be white and/or male that it doesn't mean you achieve great things...

I don't know, just seems rather interesting...Slavery one day, and a black president the next...

...and then here you have mccain, a white old dude... it doesn't even matter that he might have the same views as bush or any of that bs...the main thing is that he is white and old as shit...the same thing we had for 211 years...it's like...eh....you all think alike, lets someone different talk for a change...

Are you fucking serious with this post?

post #175 of 337
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Originally Posted by sultrysiren View Post
Are you fucking serious with this post?

Yes, and I seriously hope that when he gets elected it will shut people like your self up from assuming that just because obama is black that he is not fit as a president of the USA.
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