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Poll Results: Who will you vote for?

 
  • 22% (35)
    McCain / Palin
  • 56% (86)
    Obama / Biden
  • 3% (5)
    other
  • 5% (8)
    undecided
  • 12% (19)
    I can't vote (too young or not US citizen)
153 Total Votes  
post #101 of 337
imagine that
post #102 of 337
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Originally Posted by Anton View Post
Well, it could have been worse, we almost had a woman as our president.
Am I allowed to call Anton a f*cktard? LOL
IF I could vote, I'd vote for Obama because if nothing gets done to improve the health care system SOON (by any party), I'm going back to Italy with my AMERICAN husband and children.

P.S. of course, I'm not naive enogh to believe that he will really do what he says, but at least there is a chance.
post #103 of 337
post #104 of 337
^ I watched that last night - one of his best shows ever!
I take back half of the f*cktard
post #105 of 337
Did I miss that post, or did he delete it?

Edit: missed it.

-1
post #106 of 337
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Originally Posted by Anton View Post
Well, it could have been worse, we almost had a woman as our president.
thats a pretty bum in your avatar Anton, but that statement is just plain stupid.
post #107 of 337
^ hahahahahahaha No, it's still there.
post #108 of 337
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Originally Posted by MISSPOOKIE View Post
thats a pretty bum in your avatar Anton, but that statement is just plain stupid.
post #109 of 337
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Originally Posted by Krystaleahs View Post
Oh I've got more...

The U.S spends more on immigration in a year than we have on the entire war. The government spends 2% more revenue on our people for healthcare than your country does. And you wonder why people want to come to the USA!! I know for a fact that Canadians even come to the U.S. for surgeries because the wait in their country is over two years. And if you want an MRI in Canada be ready to wait well over a year. We the people in the U.S can only do so much for each other. Damn, some people who live in Canada are giving me a fucking headache. The next time your prime minister is elected I'm going to critique everything about them.
I don't know why you quoted me saying how your government has been borrowing billions of dollars from the federal reserve at interest. Basically printing money as they need it. Because what you said has nothing to do with that.

I'm tired of you Americans talking completely out of your ass, so let me set some things straight.

Krystal brought up a good point. Canadian heath care has wating times. Instead of thinking 'every person has to wait to get an mri' do some god damn research. It completely depends on which province you live in, and whats wrong with you. The whole system runs under federal guidelines to ensure for same level of care for everybody, but each province runs things differently. The problem mostly exists in rural areas, and the SAME thing happens in the U.S because rural regions simply do not have the same staff, equipment, and patient to doctor ratio like in the citys. In the end these facilities end up getting less funding and waiting times are created. Don't get me wrong, I've waiting up to three months for an MRI before, and lots of Canadians go over to the US for MRI's. But what about the number of people who come to Canada for a free flu shot?

I've listened to Bush and other people on the news saying that Canadians don't get to pick their own doctors and that rich people get better care and access to the top specialists. Yet again your government has lied to you to make you think we suck. We get to pick our own doctors like in the US, and poor Canadians have the same access to specialists as wealthy people.

skidmark and some others seem to think what everyone else thinks, that our Canadian heath care system is socialized. In such a socialized system our doctors would work for the government. That doesnt happen, in Canada doctors work for them selfs, and the insurance company is the government (not like in america where there are hundreads of insurance companys). It's not a socalized system its a free medical system or 'medicare for all'.

Like I've said before, Canada has to do a lot more inorder to perfect our system. We simply don't have the funds for the system to be perfect, and if you americans would stop thinking that you own all the oil in the world, maybe alberta would be making money on its oil instead of losing money.

For the people who want action and change, not words and empty promises, check out the campaign for liberty. Ron Paul’s Campaign For Liberty
post #110 of 337
how do Rons nuts taste?
post #111 of 337
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Originally Posted by LinuxChild View Post
I don't know why you quoted me saying how your government has been borrowing billions of dollars from the federal reserve at interest. Basically printing money as they need it. Because what you said has nothing to do with that.

I'm tired of you Americans talking completely out of your ass, so let me set some things straight.

Krystal brought up a good point. Canadian heath care has wating times. Instead of thinking 'every person has to wait to get an mri' do some god damn research. It completely depends on which province you live in, and whats wrong with you. The whole system runs under federal guidelines to ensure for same level of care for everybody, but each province runs things differently. The problem mostly exists in rural areas, and the SAME thing happens in the U.S because rural regions simply do not have the same staff, equipment, and patient to doctor ratio like in the citys. In the end these facilities end up getting less funding and waiting times are created. Don't get me wrong, I've waiting up to three months for an MRI before, and lots of Canadians go over to the US for MRI's. But what about the number of people who come to Canada for a free flu shot?

I've listened to Bush and other people on the news saying that Canadians don't get to pick their own doctors and that rich people get better care and access to the top specialists. Yet again your government has lied to you to make you think we suck. We get to pick our own doctors like in the US, and poor Canadians have the same access to specialists as wealthy people.

skidmark and some others seem to think what everyone else thinks, that our Canadian heath care system is socialized. In such a socialized system our doctors would work for the government. That doesnt happen, in Canada doctors work for them selfs, and the insurance company is the government (not like in america where there are hundreads of insurance companys). It's not a socalized system its a free medical system or 'medicare for all'.

Like I've said before, Canada has to do a lot more inorder to perfect our system. We simply don't have the funds for the system to be perfect, and if you americans would stop thinking that you own all the oil in the world, maybe alberta would be making money on its oil instead of losing money.

For the people who want action and change, not words and empty promises, check out the campaign for liberty. Ron Paul’s Campaign For Liberty
I don't have a problem with Canada, I think your great! What I don't like is how nit picky you get (not just you) with our politics. I understand you border us and thats fine if you want to care. We don't talk out of our asses. We live here, we know what it's like. Contrary to what you hear on the news, it's not that bad. Sorry I forgot to mention that certain provinces have wait times. I don't want to keep fighting with you. But everyone else please understand that anything nationalized by the government will fail. The government can barely control our finances now, I'm scared to see how the do with healthcare and education. We cannot give them that kind of power. I think we need to crack down on the insurance companies and see how much fraud they charge us!

I hope Americans know we consume 25% of the worlds oil. And that our main suppliers are Mexico and Canada. We rely on you Canadians too.
post #112 of 337
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Originally Posted by Krystaleahs View Post
But everyone else please understand that anything nationalized by the government will fail. The government can barely control our finances now, I'm scared to see how the do with healthcare and education. We cannot give them that kind of power. I think we need to crack down on the insurance companies and see how much fraud they charge us!

I hope Americans know we consume 25% of the worlds oil. And that our main suppliers are Mexico and Canada. We rely on you Canadians too.
I hope your supporting Ron Paul then, because hes the only one advocating for what you want. If any of you think Obamas policy in regards to Iraq differs from Mcain than I hope you take the time to read the REAL facts and stop listening to this propaganda that both parties have spend billions of your tax dollars on. You will still occupy all of the countries you currently occupy, and your image around the world will not change one bit.

And don't even begin to say you rely on Canada for oil. Your government has let a monopoly happen within the oil industry that should have never happened. It takes years for two satellite radio company's to merge but one day for the oil company's to merge. They buy our oil and sell it back to us at a higher cost, were getting fucked and so is everyone else.

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Originally Posted by Cez1029 View Post
how do Rons nuts taste?
If this is what the average American has to say about someone from another country who believes in REAL CHANGE for Americans then you guys are in some deep trouble. Cez, did you know that more American Troops have donated money to Ron Paul then all other parties combined? Tell the people who risk their lives everyday, if they know how Ron Pauls nuts taste. Good one Buddie, very clever indeed. I finally understand the Witt of you americans and why the world is so fond of you all.
post #113 of 337
^
I am from another country my family was forced out during this little thing call the Contra war. I don't know if you've ever heard of it? Soldiers used to run up into people cribs and shoot them because the GOVERNMENT did not protect them while the US armed rebels raped, looted, plundered and killed innocent civilians just to keep democracy safe in America's. You can sit there all smug quoting numbers about who cares about the people but you have no idea what your talking about.

1970-1987: The contra war in Nicaragua | libcom.org

1970-1990: The war of counter-insurgency in El Salvador | libcom.org
post #114 of 337
To think, some people reading this thread might come away thinking that LinuxChild knows the first thing about Ron Paul's position on health care. Ha.
post #115 of 337
Thread Starter 
i think Linux is on Ron Paul's payroll.
post #116 of 337
Cez: " You can sit there all smug quoting numbers about who cares about the people but you have no idea what your talking about."

What numbers did I quote..... and I'm not sure exactly what the rest of that sentence means. Numbers about who cares about people ???

Infinite42: Feel free to shoot me a PM or just post any question you have that has to do with Ron Pauls position on heath care. I've already said what he was going to do some pages ago. Maybe you didn't read that.
post #117 of 337
[quote=LinuxChild;1596628]
And don't even begin to say you rely on Canada for oil. Your government has let a monopoly happen within the oil industry that should have never happened. It takes years for two satellite radio company's to merge but one day for the oil company's to merge. They buy our oil and sell it back to us at a higher cost, were getting fucked and so is everyone else. [quote]

Do you have a link for proof that America is selling oil back to Canada? Could it be because we refine it for you?

Oh wait! Is Canada buying it and selling it back to you at a higher cost? That's called capitalism.
post #118 of 337
Linux remember when Ron said

Quote:
"If you have ever been robbed by a black teen-aged male, you know how unbelievably fleet-footed they can be." - Ron Paul, 1992

or

Quote:
"Given the inefficiencies of what D.C. laughingly calls the `criminal justice system,' I think we can safely assume that 95 percent of the black males in that city are semi-criminal or entirely criminal." - Ron Paul, 1992

Newsletter excerpts offer ammunition to Paul's opponent




*edit oh yeah it should read

Cez: " You can sit there all smug quoting numbers about who really cares about the "people", but you have no idea what your talking about."
post #119 of 337
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Originally Posted by LinuxChild View Post
Infinite42: Feel free to shoot me a PM or just post any question you have that has to do with Ron Pauls position on heath care. I've already said what he was going to do some pages ago. Maybe you didn't read that.
No thanks, I've read enough of your non-substantive posts to this point. You said absolutely nothing about "what he was going to do" - just that he has the insight or what have you to "change" it.

Oh, and by the way, you seem enamored with the fact that Paul is a medical doctor to bolster your support for his take on health care (which, again, you show no understanding of) - Bill Frist and Howard Dean, on opposite sides of the aisle, are also medical doctors - do you give any deference to their positions on the topic? Also, guess which one's position is closer to Paul's.
post #120 of 337
how the everliving fuck do you talk about expanding government power and defending a Canadian pseudo-socialist policy by quoting/supporting Ron Paul?

Ron Paul, though he does not like our healthcare system, sure as fuck does not believe in "medicare for all" - he believes in "PRIVATIZE FUCKING EVERYTHING."

ON EDIT:

just for you
  • Replace Medicaid with volunteer pro-bono medical care. (Apr 200
  • Private medical savings accounts, not government meddling. (Apr 200
  • Insurance companies & gov't make healthcare unaffordable. (Oct 2007)
  • Transfer funds from debt & empire-building to healthcare. (Oct 2007)
  • Socialized medicine won't work; nor managed care. (Oct 2007)
  • Managed care is expensive and hasn't worked. (Sep 2007)
  • Oppose mandated health insurance and universal coverage. (Sep 2007)
http://www.ontheissues.org/Ron_Paul.htm
post #121 of 337
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Originally Posted by Anton View Post
Whos bum is that?
post #122 of 337
i woulda voted for clinton
post #123 of 337
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Originally Posted by maddiconner View Post
Am I allowed to call Anton a f*cktard? LOL
IF I could vote, I'd vote for Obama because if nothing gets done to improve the health care system SOON (by any party), I'm going back to Italy with my AMERICAN husband and children.

P.S. of course, I'm not naive enogh to believe that he will really do what he says, but at least there is a chance.
on the verge of moving back out too...but with the dollar living in greece is way too expensive (and i have two apartments), it's nearly impossible to get jobs too. i think a lot of americans are "locked" into the country because jobs in many european countries are scarce and things are too expensive when you're coming with dollars...
post #124 of 337
^ yeah, but if you work there, they pay you in Euros
I'm not saying I'm moving back tomorrow or anything radical like that, but within the next 10 years, if there is no real improvement on the "social issues" front....then for sure. I've seen too many people getting sick or just old here and living by far more miserable lives than my friends and relatives in Italy in the same (or at least a comparable) situation.
Survival of the fittest my ass.
BTW, I STILL love this country - just for the record. I just don't want to be sick or old here the way things are going.....
post #125 of 337
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Originally Posted by jsk715 View Post
i woulda voted for clinton
Bill???? LOL
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