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Is FakeSeven.com wrong?

post #1 of 27
11/4/04 at 2:06am
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Howdy Folks,
I have been reading some information on the gr8deelz forum. One member states the following:

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I called Seven and talked to them about there tags.
1. They said that styles and cut numbers are not always printed, but are stitched sometimes. On Daves site he says that stitched style and cut numbers are fake jeans.
2. Also, Seven said they even have different tags. Some are the cloth and some that are heavy paper like tags.
3. Also, the white sticker. Dave said that the 0 must have a cross through it, well Seven says they do in in both ways, crossed and not crossed.
4. As for the angled pockets, that info is correct. If you see a straight pocket, they are fake.
So you see, his site is not accurate and misleads allot of people. And those people will go around scriming fake because Dave's site says so and make companies they bought from look bad, even though they sold authentic Sevens.
As for the "G" Market. You are correct. That is the only way to get Sevens under the manufacturers wholesale price. Now here some more info for you. Seven does not have distributors. They do it them selfs. Also, you can't get paperwork for any Seven order on "G" market. Not even from those $65 - $70 sellers. Seven does not issue release papers for wholesale.
Is this information correct?

Very interested to learn more.
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post #2 of 27
11/4/04 at 7:46am

Re: Is FakeDiesel.com wrong?

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I called Seven and talked to them about there tags.
1. They said that styles and cut numbers are not always printed, but are stitched sometimes. On Daves site he says that stitched style and cut numbers are fake jeans.
2. Also, Seven said they even have different tags. Some are the cloth and some that are heavy paper like tags.
All i have to say is i have never seen an authentic seven jean with stitched style and cut #. I'm in the city often so if they changed their tags for their newer clothes i would have noticed.
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post #3 of 27
11/4/04 at 8:37am
Also, Seven said they even have different tags. Some are the cloth and some that are heavy paper like tags.

This is definitely true. One of my pairs has the paper tag. I thought that this was because I am in Canada and they need to have french on the tags but when I was in NY on the weekend, Saks had some with the paper tag.
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post #4 of 27
11/4/04 at 9:39am
Okay, so let's just suppose that this guy really did call Seven and get all that info.....if anyone has had an Authentic pair of Seven's purchased at Nordstrom or something, then get a Fake pair on ebay....you can JUST TELL the difference in quality! There's no doubt about it as soon as you see, smell & feel the fake one that it is fake! I suppose it is just a coincidence that these jeans that SEEM fake have all the characteristics of fake sevens as listed on Dave’s website…

Oh, and I bought some Havana’s from G8Deelz.com….and they were SOOOOOO not like the ones I bought at Nordstrom and the fit was like a pair of Lee Jeans.. they sucked! And they were for SURE fake.

For those of you who are trying to justify selling fakes by saying they MIGHT not be fake, get over yourself and just admit that you are trying to make an easy buck! I’ll admit, I did it once and I felt bad every time I mailed a pair to some poor unsuspecting person.
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post #5 of 27
11/4/04 at 1:00pm
Hi!

Here's my opinion on those statements:

1. WRONG. Authentic Seven for all Mankind jeans NEVER have style- and cut-number stitched, but always PRINTED.

2. TRUE. Just like ktrott I also own a few authentic pairs with those white paper-like tags.

3. WRONG. Seven has NOT changed the writing on their stickers. Just ask Diana from just-jeans.com: http://honestforum.com/bbs/viewtopic.php?t=20

4. TRUE. Noone ever claimed anything else.

Nevertheless there is one false information on fakeseven.com: Somewhere on the site it says that Havana Flares were produced with only one authentic cut-number. This is definitely wrong. I've owned three pairs of authentic Havanas so far as it took a while for me to find the right size. They were all authentic and they all had different cut-numbers.

Best regards, Bianca
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post #6 of 27
11/4/04 at 1:06pm
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Bianca,

I appreciate your opinion and your quick reply. Thank you very much.
I have just removed that mistaken information about the Havanna Flares.
If there is any other mistakes anywhere on my site(s) please feel free to contact me.

Rock on and thank you very much Bianca!
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post #7 of 27
11/19/04 at 8:19am
I'm going to call 7 For All Mankind myself and get the info. I honestly have never seen a real pair of 7's with stitched cut and style # on the tag! I've been duped before--and luckily got my money back--and can certainly tell the difference. I'll post what 7 tells me.
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post #8 of 27
12/10/04 at 11:45am
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Just got an email that states:

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hey bud, just trying to help you out....i am a HUGE sfam fan, and i just recently bought some bootcuts from bloomingdales and i was looking for some on ebay when i noticed your website...you said that the 9 on size 29 was straight on the auth. sevens, well this is true for most pairs, EXCEPT the original bootcuts, on these the 9 is curved(i know this because my pair is right infront of me) the cut on these is #700125

hope this helps,
Whitney webb
and another that states:
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Wanted to mention something that you ommitted on your information about
identifying fake Seven jeans.

On the back of the inner (smaller) tag, there is a metal strip similar to
Diesel microstitching. With ample lighting and a good mangnifying glass or
microscope, you can read the 'Seven For All Mankind' writing on it.

No fake jeans yet have been able to copy this high-level method of
counterfeit protection.
Is this correct. Should I modify fakeseven to include this. Also is there any other information on fakeseven that needs to be updated?
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post #9 of 27
12/10/04 at 4:17pm
Hi!

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Originally Posted by honestdave
you said that the 9 on size 29 was straight on the auth. sevens, well this is true for most pairs, EXCEPT the original bootcuts, on these the 9 is curved(i know this because my pair is right infront of me) the cut on these is #700125
I can definitely not confirm this. I've just checked two of the Bootcut Sevens in 29 I have here at the moment, and both "9"s are straight at the bottom. Instead, when I search for cut number 700125 on eBay I find 34 auctions of fake Pink Swish Bootcuts ... So I doubt the pair of that buddy is authentic!

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On the back of the inner (smaller) tag, there is a metal strip similar to Diesel microstitching. With ample lighting and a good mangnifying glass or microscope, you can read the 'Seven For All Mankind' writing on it.

No fake jeans yet have been able to copy this high-level method of
counterfeit protection.
Sorry but I don't have a magnifying glass at hand right now, but it is correct that this metal strip exists on the back of the third lable. Unfortunately some fakes also have this silber strip, even my good old Pink A Pocket fake that's still lying around here has one (the seller would never take it back).

Is anyone willing to examine his/her jeans with a magnifying glass and tell us about the results? I would love to know if this info was correct!

Greets, Bianca
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post #10 of 27
12/10/04 at 4:24pm
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Selzi.

you rock. always there to help me out. have you gotten www.BuySelziABeer.com up yet?

rock on!
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post #11 of 27
12/10/04 at 5:31pm
I was just going to say that you may want to change the thing about the bent 9s bc if you refer to this post http://www.honestforum.com/bbs/viewtopic.php?t=399 this girl bought 7s at a major US store and they even have the correct barcode font she says, but her buyer is accusing her of selling fakes bc the 9 is bent. If one person has an authentic pair with a curved 9, then its probable that there are more and that buyer is giving her a hard time over this because its stated on this site that those are fakes

Just a suggestion to check into!!
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post #12 of 27
12/10/04 at 5:56pm
Hi again....found this pair of 7s (size 29) purchased at SHOPBOP.COM (reputable) and they have the curved 9 so I think that "rule" may need to go! also---if that person (that emailed dave) purchased their 7s from bloomingdales then im sure theyre authentic...the fake producers probably just copied off an original cut number for their fake pink ones.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...5449 638&rd=1
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post #13 of 27
12/11/04 at 2:58am
HMMMMMMMM.... I dunno girl, Im a shopoholic and I have yet to see a bent nine on any style of SFAM i wear a 29 so I see em all. You may be right but I'm reluctant to buckle on this on at the moment. Perhaps the seller can post pictures of the actual merchandise. She could always take them to a high end store an compare them but Im not buying it so far. Ill keep looking. Just my thoughts at this moment
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post #14 of 27
12/11/04 at 3:19am
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I am interested in finding out more info about this as well!
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post #15 of 27
12/11/04 at 10:09pm
ok, my friend got some sevens off ebay but they didnt fit her so she offered to sell them to me. before i buy them, i'm trying to figure out if they are fake or not. i've checked everything to make sure they are fake and i found two peculiar things.
1) i checked the tag and for style and cut # there is nothing there at all. numbers neither printed nor stiched. just a blank space.
2)it doesnt fit well at all, and isn't soft like my other seven jeans and the fit just feels cheap.
the button is also a brassy color and not silver. i dont know if they come in other colors beside silver or not, but both pairs of mine have silver buttons.
please help me so i can let my friend get her money back and file a complaint if these truley are fake!
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post #16 of 27
12/11/04 at 10:17pm
Yeah if they feel cheap and fake, they probably are made cheap, and FAKE. I have NEVER seen authentic sevens without a cut number!! But who knows...I wouldn't trust this though. Show the link as to where she purchased them (on Ebay I mean). Thanks
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post #17 of 27
12/11/04 at 10:47pm
i need to talk to my friend to get the seller's name but i looked for the jeans and they look like this:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...5393 418&rd=1

i'm not sure if this is the seller, but i have a feeling it is. i looked on her feedback and many people were claiming their jeans were fake. if you need picture, i can take some!
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post #18 of 27
12/11/04 at 10:52pm
Yeah those shown are definitely fake. If there is a barcode and it looks like that one shown there-they are fake. (If the corners are really square looking....bc authentics have more rounded edges and the zeros in it are crossed). I believe they will probably be fake. Inquire to the seller as to why there is no cut number! See what the excuse is...!
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post #19 of 27
12/11/04 at 10:53pm
Oh I didn't even look at the sellers name:
DENIMKINDGOM=ALL FAKES but will claim "100% authentic. Manufacturer overruns" or something like that....thats BS!
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post #20 of 27
12/11/04 at 11:24pm
A very interesting detail on mine: on the back of the tag that just says 7 for all mankind, there's an stamped or embossed number on it. On mine, it is 051-08518. I bought mine at Nordstrom.
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post #21 of 27
12/12/04 at 1:35pm
ok i found the seller: rationalfashion
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll... 077&tc=photo

and my friend is emailing them about the lack of style/cut # and will hopefully get her money back or an explanation about it.

thanks for all your help!
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post #22 of 27
12/12/04 at 1:47pm
Yes I believe, just as I do about DENIMKINGDOM, that RationalFashion sells all fakes too. If you go to SEARCH at the top of this page and type in RationalFashion you'll see posts from people who also believe this I hope you get your money back. LOOK AT THIS. Their return policy is great!! :

Rational Fashion offers a FULL MONEY BACK GUARANTEE on all eBay auctions. If your item doesn't fit you properly or you simply don't like the way it looks in person, send it back for a full refund INCLUDING shipping.

That is stated on that page so looks like she should get everything back!! Oh and this style jean is commonly replicated---see Bianca's webpage for info on the "Glacier" A pocket. It is www.no-fake-jeans.de.vu

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post #23 of 27
12/12/04 at 9:05pm
yeah, she has emailed the people and hopefully will get a reply soon. the sad thing is i was looking on Bianca's webpage and the first pair my friend bought off ebay is a fake also, from what her website says. she is very happy with them and they fit her, but she thought she was getting a great deal off ebay, when really they are fake! i hear you can file a complaint against people like this??
well, i have learned my lesson! i know now to look very carefully for these things, if i ever decide to buy somthing expensive on ebay, i didn't realize til now how many frauds there were!!
thank you soo much for all your help hilary!
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post #24 of 27
12/12/04 at 9:15pm
Yeah its discouraging to learn you got fakes but at least its a lesson learned. Always ask for all the pics you want...that way you won't be surprised, and if the seller is unwilling to give them --skip the deal! I guess you could try complaining to Ebay about fakes being sold, I dont know how much they would do. BUT DO leave feedback (even if its neutral). Say something like "I believe the products are FAKE, but seller refunded money" so that way, hopefully, the seller will only leave you a neutral in return which won't affect your rating. This way other buyers will be informed and ***MAYBE*** after the seller receives many complaints about fakes they will be less likely to sell them (but its doubtful, as DENIMKINGDOM has continuously sold, what I and many others believe to be, fakes despite all his negatives!) Anyways hope everything works out...

Oh and also remember if any auctions state that the jeans have "damaged" stamped on the inside of the leg or has a slit through the label, the jeans are usually AUTHENTIC. they may have a slight imperfection but no one but you will know, and you can rest assured they are authentic! also, the slit on the label is so ppl cant return to dept. stores, so many do this--and again, most all are authentic! This is the easiest way to tell (but also remember to always check the cut number if in doubt)

Hope all this makes sense--Im tired Good luck!
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post #25 of 27
12/13/04 at 11:56am
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Originally Posted by Hil357
Hi again....found this pair of 7s (size 29) purchased at SHOPBOP.COM (reputable) and they have the curved 9 so I think that "rule" may need to go! also---if that person (that emailed dave) purchased their 7s from bloomingdales then im sure theyre authentic...the fake producers probably just copied off an original cut number for their fake pink ones.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...5449 638&rd=1
Hi Hilary!

I wouldn't believe the seller she ordered those from shopbop.com. Firstly because of the curved "9" and secondly because of the fact these are Pink A Pockets with stretch. Both of us have never seen an authentic pair of Stretch Pink A Pockets - I know this because you said so in a different thread. Thirdly, the writing on the inner pocket looks so fainted - I strongly believe these are fake.

Greets, Bianca
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