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post #126 of 231
7/9/08 at 5:49pm
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Originally Posted by diesel_dreamz View Post
If Coldplay was a small, "up and coming" indie band running out of MySpace, would you still say the same thing? I highly doubt it.
Didn't radiohead start from napster?
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post #127 of 231
7/9/08 at 6:03pm
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Originally Posted by ross View Post
As do I!

Zodiac, don't take my neg on your Elvis comment personally. I love Elvis but he has no place in this discussion, really.



It's pretty easy, actually.

You'll find that the further down the scale of popularity you go, the more complex - ie. difficult to reproduce - the music becomes. Because technically complex music usually isn't radio-friendly. What's radio-friendly is catchy hooks, easy lyrics, and a dreamy frontman singing about love. Popular music is necessarily simpler because it's easier to remember and requires less of a commitment out of its listener.



I guess I'm saying that it really isn't. Either a song is more complex and more well-produced than another song, or it isn't.

I didn't always think this way - I thought that Iron Maiden kicked Dream Theater's ass. But once I started listening to rock with a couple guys that actually played in bands, they opened my eyes to the technical side of things. Now I listen to Dream Theater or Mars Volta or even Muse and Primus and just go "Holy shit..." when I hear a sick solo. But it requires a lot of patience, because a song that's technically strong isn't always an easy song to rock out to if you catch it on the radio.
You make good points and I completely understand you. I agree that different music can have varying levels of complexity in the same way a rap artist can have varying level of complexity in their beatand rhymes (hence why we seperate Nelly and Biggie into completely different leagues). The only thing i'd like to say is that it becomes very very subjective when discussing how "good" a band is in comparison to another. Me myself would slap anybody who said Flo Rida or Soulja Boy was a better rapper than Biggie Smalls or Tupac, but the reality of music, just like fashion and beauty, is that it's completely subjective. There is no right or wrong answer, only a general consensus.

What i'm trying to get at is that maybe yes Radiohead is more complex and at a higher plateau than Coldplay, but should that stop Coldplay from being a good band? Does the fact that they're popular and have held the top of the international charts for so long make them digraceful becuase they're not technically complex? Obviously some of the comments here are solely aimed at seperating CP from Radiohead in defence that Radiohead is a better band because of etc, but you cannot ignore the fact that CP have done extremely well over the past 7 years. Like I said before, I have strong beliefs that if CP was a small up-and-coming Myspace Indie band, people would think much dfferent about them.
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post #128 of 231
7/9/08 at 7:54pm
Beatles and stones (both good)

Erasure

Zep and PF

Neither

OMD

Neptunes

Nirvana

Both

Both crap

Martin Sheen

Lucid

Shroomz
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post #129 of 231
7/9/08 at 7:56pm
because i like less i therefore have better taste
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post #130 of 231
7/10/08 at 12:01am
coldplay is like radiohead lite.
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post #131 of 231
7/10/08 at 8:28am
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** Before Anyone Did Anything, Elvis Did Everything !!!
come on, dude. Elvis was heavily influenced by blues
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post #132 of 231
7/10/08 at 8:29am
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Didn't radiohead start from napster?
what?
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post #133 of 231
7/10/08 at 8:52am
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Originally Posted by mdg1976 View Post
come on, dude. Elvis was heavily influenced by blues
If you want to get technical almost ALL modern popular music was heavily influenced by early gospel which ultimately influenced blues which ultimately influenced R&B, Rock, Country, etc etc etc
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post #134 of 231
7/10/08 at 9:08am
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Originally Posted by mdg1976 View Post
come on, dude. Elvis was heavily influenced by blues
As well as early country, I actually prefer his early Sun recordings more than his later stuff.

+1 for everyone else using there own bags
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post #135 of 231
7/10/08 at 10:13am
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If you want to get technical almost ALL modern popular music was heavily influenced by early gospel
if you want to get really technical early gospel was influenced by negro spirituals
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post #136 of 231
7/10/08 at 11:16am
If your going to get technical you'd have to go way back to prehistoric times from which everything originated, lol
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post #137 of 231
7/10/08 at 3:28pm
Everything originated from the movement of atoms after the beginning of the universe.
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post #138 of 231
7/10/08 at 4:31pm
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Originally Posted by ri0tp00f View Post
Opinions please:
The Beatles vs The Rolling Stones
Erasure vs Pet Shop Boys
Led Zeppelin vs Pink Floyd
Britney vs Xtina
OMD vs ABC
Timbaland vs The Neptunes
Nirvana vs Pearl Jam
Stone Temple Pilots vs Soundgarden
Hootie and the Blowfish vs Dave Matthew Band
Charlie Sheen vs Emilio Estevez
Jim Beam vs Jack Daniels
Paper vs Plastic
1. The Beatles
2. I don't know who those guys are
3. Uhhhh....i like both
4. Xtina
5. No comment
6. Timbaland
7. Nirvana
8. Don't care
9. I can't stand both especially hootie, at least DM has an ice-cream
named after them
10. Emiliooooooo (Breakfast club and Mighty Ducks hands down better than
anything that perv. has done)
11. Is that alcohol?
12.
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post #139 of 231
7/11/08 at 10:34am
Radiohead: New Radiohead Video is Shot with Lasers, Not Cameras

Pew pew pew!
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post #140 of 231
7/11/08 at 11:26am
^
Innovative little fucks aren't they

Looks pretty sweet.




Reminds me of the Kid A/Amnesiac internet vids they did a while back
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post #141 of 231
7/11/08 at 11:36am
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Originally Posted by diesel_dreamz View Post
Me myself would slap anybody who said Flo Rida or Soulja Boy was a better rapper than Biggie Smalls or Tupac, but the reality of music, just like fashion and beauty, is that it's completely subjective. There is no right or wrong answer, only a general consensus.
I really just can't agree. There are people out there with far more sophisticated musical palates than me, and I'm not prepared to just say that they've got different taste than me, and that I'm just as qualified to judge music as they are.

I think that all this relativism (particularly where taste is concerned) is a result of people just thinking that they don't need to be an expert on something - or even know what they are talking about - in order to be heard.

If someone likes total shite like Nickelback or Soulja Boy, then their musical taste sucks. No way to sugar-coat it. And their taste in other things (movies, food, clothing, cars) likely sucks too. They probably can't comprehend more complex, technical music because they don't challenge themselves to follow along with it...instead they just want something to roll around in their car and bounce around to.

It's like we've stopped believing in authority...this forum is a good example:

"But I LIKE wearing jeans that make my hips look huge! Just because YOU don't like them doesn't mean that I'm a horrible person for wearing them! I LIKE IT AND THAT'S ALL THAT MATTERS!!!"

People just need to accept that they don't know everything, and that they may not have the capacity to understand certain things. And those of us that know more should stop coddling those of us that hide behind "I like it and that's all that matters."
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post #142 of 231
7/11/08 at 11:55am
ross - it cuts both ways. For example, someone musically trained will have very specific criteria upon which they judge good music. But taste comes into it too. I happen to hate bob dylan but that's because the timbre of his voice annoys the crap out of me. I love muslimgauze even though his music is not really "good" (it's atonal, sometimes grating, repetitive, etc)
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post #143 of 231
7/11/08 at 12:11pm
omgzzz I <3 Dylan
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post #144 of 231
7/11/08 at 12:14pm
For Beatles vs Stones, I'll quote Douglas Adams

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“I only knew that the Beatles were the most exciting thing in the universe. It wasn’t always an easy view to live with. First you had to fight the Stones fans, which was tricky because they fought dirty and had their knuckles nearer the ground.”
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post #145 of 231
7/11/08 at 12:18pm
who wants to follow "complex, technical music" anyway? that kind of bollocks thinking is what perpetuates shite like pink floyd to be on the charts for decades. is muse complex, technical music? or are they any good at all - like fuck. if i was a kid in the 70s i would rather bounce around to slade than be challenged by a bunch of tuneless middle class wankers like pink floyd. god how i hate pink floyd.
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post #146 of 231
7/11/08 at 12:25pm
lol @ mgoose's quote
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post #147 of 231
7/11/08 at 12:29pm
Mmm The Beatles...I mostly prefer there "psychedelic/you need to be high on acid" types of song...Even though I never did drugs...I always find those songs "interesting" even in a sober state...
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post #148 of 231
7/11/08 at 12:36pm
I heart Dylan only when he's not whiny and nasally
I like the Beatles more when they started getting darker and then they broke up
I stopped listening to the Stones after they broke up the 1st time
I stop listening to Pink Floyd after Roger left technically it stopped being PF when they kicked Syd out.

Radiohead is one the few bands I've listen too the longest that has yet to break up or let me down.....
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post #149 of 231
7/11/08 at 12:42pm
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Originally Posted by blm14 View Post
ross - it cuts both ways. For example, someone musically trained will have very specific criteria upon which they judge good music. But taste comes into it too. I happen to hate bob dylan but that's because the timbre of his voice annoys the crap out of me. I love muslimgauze even though his music is not really "good" (it's atonal, sometimes grating, repetitive, etc)
Sure, taste plays a part.

But 'taste' can be the refuge of the untrained, also. Someone could choose Linkin Park over Rage Against the Machine according to 'taste.'

There's also objective standards in evaluating beauty (a big category I forgot). There was a study that showed that babies looked longer at faces that fit the standard criteria of attractiveness. It's not all a matter of taste and free will.
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post #150 of 231
7/11/08 at 12:45pm
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Radiohead is one the few bands I've listen too the longest that has yet to break up or let me down.....
Yep, they've never broken up and still have all the original members.
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