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post #126 of 147
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Originally Posted by blm14 View Post
Lets just give everyone a taser. Non-lethal, just as small as a handgun, AND runs off a nifty 9V battery, heh
Then we will have people coming here and starting threads and posting video about someone being tased and how unfair and wrong it is. We have had a ton of these rage at "the man" threads already.
post #127 of 147
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Originally Posted by sultrysiren View Post
A murder is a murder. I agree with you there even though some deserve it and some don’t. Live by the sword die by the sword. So be it.
I am personally very hesitant to make statements about who deserves to die and who does not. I have someone in my immediate family who has killed another person (self-defense) and lets just say taking another's life is not something to be taken lightly...

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Most people who own a handgun legally are not involved in the drug trade
Hrm, this seems a pretty large assumption. Do we have statistics as to what percentage of gun-related drug violence was committed by legally licensed handguns? Plenty of legally purchased guns still end up in the hands of criminals (taken across state lines from places with more lenient gun laws). Given the difficulty of even TRACKING an individual weapons' ownership (no central registry) I'm not sure we even have enough information to make statements like this.

Just because you're buying a gun legally and are not PERSONALLY involved in the drug trade doesn't mean that the guns you're buying legally aren't ending up in the hands of criminals. The point is that once we pass the initial point-of-sale nobody really KNOWS what happens with guns, which is part of the overall problem of proliferation to begin with.

More guns = more gun violence. Its kind of unavoidable. Edit: at least this is the case under our current system. If you use the example of Switzerland, where every citizen is given a rifle by the government (gun ownership 100%!) if someone commits a crime with a gun, you could use forensic evidence or the gun itself to identify at least who the nominal gun owner was, if not the actual criminal. We don't have that option here.
post #128 of 147
I said most people not most guns. Criminals are going to get the guns anyway and very few of them do it legally. If someone breaks into my home and steals my gun and uses it in the drug trade that does not make me responsible or part of the drug trade.

None of this is any reason for me not to be able to have a gun if I choose to.
post #129 of 147
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Originally Posted by blm14 View Post
Hrm, given the low level of report of rape in general and the inconsistency of the way rape statistics are collected I would be very surprised to hear someone make this statement definitively.

What is your source for this information?
The problem with the data collected on rape is the definition of rape itself. It can mean a whole lot of different things. However my information came from a speaker I herd while attending a discussion on the rights of the condemned. Most male on male rape does occur in prison.
post #130 of 147
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Originally Posted by cruel_angel View Post
The problem with the data collected on rape is the definition of rape itself. It can mean a whole lot of different things. However my information came from a speaker I herd while attending a discussion on the rights of the condemned. Most male on male rape does occur in prison.
I was going to say that a while back, but I thought people would be assuming I'd be talking out of my ass. Then there's the whole contraction of HIV/AIDs & STI's because prisons don't generally hand out condoms to their male prisoners.
post #131 of 147
^^This is true. When I worked in a prison we didn't distribute condoms for various reasons. One being that they would put things in them, swallow them and then have to get a major operation to remove the blockage. Then would turn around and sue the state for handing them out in the first place. I could never just throw my latex gloves in the trash either because they would take them out and use them as condoms or as a "fi fi". I don't know the correct spelling of that since it is a prison term. I had to keep each set that I used on me until I got to a place where I could get rid of them.

We did have one major incident while I was there in which 5 or so guys got a hold of a child molester. He had to be sewn back together. There were a lot of supposedly heterosexual guys who had relationships (not just sexual but like they were married) with other inmates and I would see them visiting with their wives and children on visitation day.
post #132 of 147
Yeah, I took an AIDs and STD's class and we learned about sex workers, but specifically MSM. They're not just homosexual guys, they're guys who sometimes consider themselves heterosexual and have sex with other men and then with their wives. Sexuality is a really complicated thing. What is "fi fi" by the way?

Random question; have you ever tasted toilet wine?
post #133 of 147
Nevermind, I just looked up fifi. Gross... what ever happened to just spit?
post #134 of 147
who says HF is getting less popular? i <3 reading threads (i mean the debate) like this...i learn something everytime!
post #135 of 147
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Originally Posted by Malencontreux View Post
Yeah, I took an AIDs and STD's class and we learned about sex workers, but specifically MSM. They're not just homosexual guys, they're guys who sometimes consider themselves heterosexual and have sex with other men and then with their wives. Sexuality is a really complicated thing. What is "fi fi" by the way?

Random question; have you ever tasted toilet wine?
If its what I am thinking of they called it buck. I never tasted anything there. Very bad idea. They didn't make it in the shitters though.

There were a few times when I was working there that a "domestic squabble" between two guys broke out. It would have been funny in any other situation but was not at the time as this can cause a full blown riot. We had to lock them in segregation but they were put in cells across from each other and one of them asked me to move out of the way so he could throw piss on the other guy. All I could do was move. They were back together a week later but they were both married to women.

Oh, I also found a few fi fis during my time while doing searches. It was so gross. I hated that job but had to leave school so I could support myself. I only made $1800 a month. Can you believe that shit?
post #136 of 147
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Originally Posted by sultrysiren View Post
I said most people not most guns.
But it's the guns that are the issue of discussion, no? That is, were there no gun involved at all the topic would not have even come up. So just ignoring all legally-purchased guns doesn't quite cover the whole issue.

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Criminals are going to get the guns anyway
What a fatalistic attitude! You don't see that process of getting guns as easier when the total number of weapons (legally or illegally obtained at point of sale) is greater?

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If someone breaks into my home and steals my gun and uses it in the drug trade that does not make me responsible or part of the drug trade.
No but it does mean that you provided the gun. Either you were put into a situation where you were forced to surrender it (and not having it would have prevented this) or you stored in somewhere that was easy for someone else to find (again, not having it would have prevented this). You can't just ignore the cases where legally purchased guns are used in crime. It happens fairly often.

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None of this is any reason for me not to be able to have a gun if I choose to.
Agreed.
post #137 of 147
I didn't have a chance to read this thread, but I did read the article and had it mentioned to me by several people throughout the week. I honestly believe that this man should be inhumanly punished, right to the very brink of death, and then forced to be kept alive, to suffer in the way that he made this women suffer. We all have "rights," which many people seem to forget are actually privileges. You lose these privileges once you violate the rights of someone else. He was willing to ruin someone else's life so quickly, I say we ruin his.
post #138 of 147
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I think it was a video or something...But it was a guy... I think the story behind it was he pretty much raped a 12 or younger girl, but as soon as he was caught a group of men they got a few big knifes and an axe...And pretty much chopped off every limb...hands, I think even the feet...But more specifically cut his genitals off and just held him there until he bled to death...and apparently some guy had a camera was willing to film the whole "torture" act.

Basically he was an asshole, raped a young girl, and got chopped apart and bled to death...right on the spot.

What I found interesting though is that the gruesome video send a much bigger message of what you pretty much can get for being so stupid...but then I compared it to our system...Where you can rape pretty much anyone and still be entitled for a trial...
But...IMO... Seeing a rapist being killed on the spot seems rather more "eye opening" then....if you rape...you can get a lawyer and then there is a possibility of getting away with it...or you just live in a comfy prison cell the rest of your life...

I just think we need to put more fear in the punishment that a rapist, of any level, should receive. Just something that will at least try to put these people's "fantasies" or whatever to rest... Something as simple as "Rape = Death Penalty" and maybe then people would at least think twice before committing any acts of rape.... "Do I really want to risk getting executed for performing rape"
post #139 of 147
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If someone breaks into my home and steals my gun and uses it in the drug trade that does not make me responsible or part of the drug trade.
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No but it does mean that you provided the gun. Either you were put into a situation where you were forced to surrender it (and not having it would have prevented this) or you stored in somewhere that was easy for someone else to find (again, not having it would have prevented this). You can't just ignore the cases where legally purchased guns are used in crime. It happens fairly often.
So what if someone steals my car and uses it to kill someone?
post #140 of 147
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Originally Posted by blm14 View Post



Agreed.
At least we agree on something Ben. This doesn't happen very often.
post #141 of 147
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Originally Posted by mdg1976 View Post
So what if someone steals my car and uses it to kill someone?
Then you are part of the drug trade.
post #142 of 147
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Originally Posted by sultrysiren
Most people who own a handgun legally are not involved in the drug trade
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Hrm, this seems a pretty large assumption.
Are you kidding, BLM???
post #143 of 147
I'm saying I haven't seen any actual numbers showing how frequently a legally PURCHASED gun is used in a drug-related crime. Just because it was legally purchased doesn't mean the person who ultimately uses it for the drug crime was the initial purchaser.

If you have found such stats, please feel free to share. Otherwise, yes, it's an assumption. I don't like to make assumptions because I've found personally that when I do I am often proven wrong. So now I try to base things on fact, if at all possible.
post #144 of 147
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Originally Posted by sultrysiren View Post
At least we agree on something Ben. This doesn't happen very often.
I think it would happen more often than you think, were we to speak in a less-easily-misunderstood medium...
post #145 of 147
Imagine a world of Smash
I wonder if you can
No need for clothes or condoms
A brotherhood of Smash
Imagine all the people
Smashing all the world

You may say that I'm a smasher
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will smash as one
post #146 of 147
deep, mang.
post #147 of 147
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Originally Posted by blm14 View Post
I think it would happen more often than you think, were we to speak in a less-easily-misunderstood medium...
True that.
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