^gam: Did I put my finger into an old wound? Did someone ever tease you for your protective soles?
Btw. you are complaining about a condescending tone in my post? Take care of your own style before complaining about others:
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Originally Posted by vonWitzleben
I wouldnt do it. Kills the advantages of the leather soles and looks horrible imo. None of my full leather shoes has protective rubber soles.
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Your reply a few posts later:
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Originally Posted by gam29
you are an idiot not to get these done if you plan on keeping your shoes for a long time.
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Sounds sound, but its missing logic:
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Correction, you are missing logic.
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You can get your feet covered for 20$ but you pay several hundreds (or even thousands) for shoes?
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Yes, I spend good money to buy high quality shoes.
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Is this your style of argumentation? Removing the reference and tearing an argument into two parts, where every part on its own is meaningless?
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Originally Posted by gam29
There are 3 reasons why I have a rubber 'topy' put on my shoes. They INCREASE THE LONGEVITY of your soles allowing you to avoid a costly relasting of your shoes, PROTECT your shoes from moisture (rain or snow) soaking up through the permeable leather sole, and GRIP the ground better than leather soles.
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I am on your side concerning the grip issue, at least when it comes to snow and very seldom on some kinds of wet ground. But in most urban environments and indoors as well, this isnt of any interest.
Concerning protection from moisture: A shoe that you properly take care of can easily stand a rainy/snowy day in an urban environment. The day(s) of rest in between wears will remove the moisture not only from the upper leather but from the soles as well. The sole is permeable, true. But the effect
mainly occours from the inside to the outside, due to hydrophobic (more or less semi-permeable) characteristics.
Concerning longevity of the sole: True. But again, if one can spend a couple hundreds on a shoe, I am sure one can spend some money on resoleing every six years, or so.
This whole rubber soles only cost xx and resoling costs y-times more and its for protectice reasons reminds of a guy posting in the dry denim section, who was worried about wearing his jeans in snowy environments, because of moisture and salt creating "unnatural" wear... Or mgoeclipse not wearing his CPs outside in snowy weather, being afraid they might get damaged by water and salt...
Do you guys have protectives on you leather couches?
Sounds like having a Porsche and only accelerating/breaking very cautious and driving really slow, to avoid deterioration of tires and engine parts.
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The rubber wears much slower than leather and you certainly could not get your shoes relasted for the price of putting the rubber on top of the leather soles.
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Sure about rubber being worn down much slower? Regarding the price issue, see above.
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Sure, the leather is treated, but the bottom line is that leather is a permeable material, and water is a universal solvent. Water will get through the bottom of your soles eventually.
If you don't believe me, go do a test for me. Fill your bath tub with about 1cm of water and put a pair of shoes in there (preferably one of your nice ones so I can laugh when they soaked) and let their 'hydrophobic' soles sit in the water for a few hours. Let me know what happens.
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Lol, this is hilarious. You are right on the first part. If you wait long enough water will get through the leather soles... but obviously not within a day of wear. Thanks for the bio-chemistry 101, anyways.
Concerning the second part: Do it with your plastic protected shoes. Guess what?
Btw. the leather soles retain the ability to dry quite fast afterwards. Whereas your protected soles more or less lost the ability to lose moisture.
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Thanks for the shoe care 101 lesson. That would be why I own numerous pairs of shoes and store them with cedar shoe trees in between wears. No amount of 'rest' days can undo the damage that water can potentially do to your shoes in just 1 day.
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My comment was directed at Cesar and other members that might not know everything about caring for high quality full leather shoes. If you take care of your shoes the last sentence is just wrong.
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My Chukka boots are almost two years old and I wore them in rain and snow as well. The soles are fine and still have years of wear in them before I have to resole them
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Would you like a cookie? I don't consider 2 years to be that long in the grand scheme of things for a nice pair of shoes. Many of the shoes I have, I am planning on keeping for a lifetime.
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Yes, please. Can you send me the cookie and please protect the package with a rubber toppy for longevity. You completely failed concerning reading comprehension.
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I'm not going to try to explain myself any more because I think I've made the advantages sufficiently clear here and it seems like convincing you otherwise is a lost cause.
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Thanks.