*Tee* UNbanned! - Page 8  

I think the difference between *Tee* and jskidder is that jskidder's 'rude' comments are opinions of what other people wear or choose to like. Sometimes it has a way of coming off as being fact or absolute (which I think all people will inherently believe to some degree because it's OUR thoughts) while *Tee*'s comments (some misunderstood, some downright rude to me) are directed more towards the person rather than the choice.

I don't like some of what jskidder wears but if a person feels comfortable in what they wear more power to them. I personally give comments on fit, length of shirts, etc based on what I find to be more aesthetically pleasing to the eyes and appropriate for the person's body shape, size. I don't really 'get' some people's look for practical everyday use, but if it works for them... cool. I don't know any of you guys here personally, so I don't know if this is how you act in reality when you aren't behind the comfort of a cable or DSL connection, but I try to respectfully disagree with other people and their opinions when I express my own thoughts.

So, in summary... jskidder attacks another person's choice or opinion while *Tee*'s comments tends give the appearance of attacking the person.

Attacking another person's ideas or concepts is what creates discussion and debate. Attacking a person is what creates slander and fights.

English is tee's second language, though so it's hard to know how sharp some of the comments are or aren't.

He did pretty well for himself with English though. If you realize that you have a problem being understood, it's usually best to keep your mouth shut a bit more. Look at dee-oso; he was kinda under threat of being banned, but he's more quiet now and he's still around. (no offense or anything man)

German is an abrupt language, it translates differently than the romantic languages.

As for keeping one's mouth shut, well all of us are guilty of not doing that here and there, and here...

this thread is like a reverse holocaust

You need to go back and read some "Ye Olde Posts " of HF .

And if you want to get into technicalities of attacking choice vs. person, i'll refer you to the pink tights thread once again where the conversation escalated something like this: (i have englishfied tee's statements to make them seem less abrupt, so the language bias is gone):

Tee: i don't like your pint pants (choice)
lorna: i love you too tee (sarcastically) (personal)
Tee: i was being honest (truth, no harm)
lorna: you are insane (personal)

thus far, it is lighthearted and fun.

Tee: i'm insane? as much as i know, you're not sane (personal but harmless)
lorna: thats smart coming from you (personal attack on intelligence)
Tee: using the definition of sane, you are not sane because you are two-faced. i cite this example (which was factual), and prefer to hang out with honest people. (personal but specific and evidence-based)
lorna: nobody likes you, you're immature (personal generalization attack)

i do not think my translation was unfair. again, i tried to correct for language differences by getting to the heart of the statement's intent.

I know that HF is a smaller community than Honda-Tech, and I know that you use different forum software (VB as opposed to our ZeroForum), but allow me to contribute a moderator's point of view.

We are generally VERY careful about imposing IP bans at Honda-Tech, since many IPs are static, meaning that banning one troublemaker's IP could cause an entire building or even an entire town to lose access to the site.

If that's a static IP, Dana (assuming she's a real person) and Tee may not even have had to register from the same computer. Even being in the same general vicinity or the same university could give the appearance of a duplicate account.

Figuring out the difference between the two is certainly beyond my capabilities, and perhaps you've already covered this. But if all we're going on in Tee's case is an IP match, that's not necessarily a rock-solid case for total banishment.

I'm not sure if VB has a provision for this, but ZeroForum allows moderators to set access levels, and even to impose posting limits on users.

I agree with much of what you have said, but poking the moderators with a stick is not going to help the argument.

Edit - I just read Sinclair's last post. I would venture to say that both Tee and Lorna had a hand in what happened. Lorna pretty much lost her cool, which is exactly what someone like Tee wants. He is a provocateur, no doubt about that.

And, as I said in that thread, he is REALLY bad about escalating things. This is due to his massive ego...he does NOT want to ever admit being wrong. He actually PMed me about my comments regarding his exchange with Lorna, and he was quite annoyed that I'd called him out (see, I'm not a complete Tee-lover). Another time, he PMed me out of nowhere to harangue me because I -1'd one of his posts about shoes. In both cases I could have got quite offended and told him to stuff it. But I realized how he wanted to be handled, and decided it wouldn't cost me anything to do it.

I don't presume to tell any moderator at any other site other than Honda-Tech how to do their job. But a moderator on ANY site needs to have skin made of iron, because eventually some member is going to find your buttons and mash them for all they're worth. And if that member is consequently sanctioned after visibly getting under a mod's skin, it can leave a funny taste in the forum's collective mouth.

i think the moderators (save a few) are going to need a lot more than a stick to help themselves out! (not myself, i'm already doomed and the clock is ticking lol)

dadzfoster has a very pointed stick.

no offense taken, bio. actually, i'd be the first to admit i used to be a totall pain in the ass. lucky for me i only had to spend 3 days in band camp (the good ol days)

it was rough in there. but you know, i came out of it a much better and stonger person. my posts went from -200 up to only -20 almost overnight!!


yep, a good stint in banned camp is what this lil german whippersnapper needs.

This topic is an insult to Tee's memory.

^^^I don't even remember what you did! (dee)
well, actually seven either ???

I've had to pee for around an hour.

this thread is almost as exciting as my circumcision 9 years ago

pics or it didn't happen.

you can come over and watch my whole bar mitzvah if you want

that must have been some speech.

bragger! i WISH i was circumsized too! you have no idea how much pain and trouble my foreskin has caused me, not to mention the smegma

yes, thank you ross. i can now study for my anatomy midterm; all relevant points have been articulated well.

SMEGMA

how the hell you got +1'ed when i said smegma first (and in a complete sentence too) is beyond me

Cause I am a girl, fool.

actually i seem to be garnering more +1's at the moment now...and i'm a GUY

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