Hating on Nudie? - Page 3

^(spastic_koala)
thing is, not 'everyone else' is doing it....i spent all day saturday in SanFrancisco (arguably a very fashion forward city), shopping in the union square area, and saw exactly 3 pair of nudies - 2 of which were on SAs in stores. dry denim is an extremely limited market as far as trends go, and nudies are far, far less recognizable by branding than most other denim companies.

of course, nudies are probably the MOST recognizable dry denim brand there is. that's ok, because as i already said to you most of the members of this forum are into brands for their specific traits. it logically follows then, that they would want a relatively recognizable brand for their venture into dry denim. does this sound unreasonable?

spastic koala, care to elaborate on you own personal nudie experience? i for instance, am very happy with mine. i have also tried/am working on APC, NDG, Flathead, 5ep, IronHeart, PBJ, Imperial, DenimJunkie, and soon Dior. and so far i am most disappointed with the APC - the top button feels loose after 2 wears and there's a very long thread coming out of one of the pocket linings...either way, nobody has argued with me that nudie ISN'T in the top tier of denim quality overall...can someone provide some insight into this?

and again, you rant that brand whoring is a 'pathetic' thing, yet you treat 'exclusivity' as something worth persuing....don't you see that these are basically the same thing? i mean, is there any diference between suburban kids spending their money and time on brands everyone knows and urban hipsters doing the same on brands nobody knows?

also, and just because it's a personal pet peeve, it's 'per se', latin, meaning 'by itself'.

I got mixed reactions on the quality when I wanted to get some academi for cheap so I backed off for the time being.

are Nudies Sanforized?

enough talk about nudies. i need to start up a april 77 movement in this forum. asap.

^ actually talk about ANYTHING else would be fine haha
poor nudies (misunderstood)

First of all, my comment was not directed to you personally, but the myriad of people all posting the same comments and giving each other the reach around.

Second, TR is not known for quality problems. It is known for gaudy jeans. This is the reason people insult TRs, not because they fall apart.

Third, the personal insults don't offend me, but just reflect what kind of person you are. Also, god forbid someone have a view opposing what the general consensus of the mob.

Well the point about the TRs is that on this forum when people insult TR it is about the looks of them, not the quality the vast majority of the time.

You can call it a statement all you want, but your intentions were obviously to insult me. I'm not talking about the last sentence, but rather the first. Point taken about me being crass, but I'd take crass over passive aggressive.

The discussion was about hating on a brand. I brought up another brand that gets "hated" on constantly on this forum, but it seems it is alright just because it is TR. I was just proving the double standard that exists. The point being, why is it not okay to insult Nudie, but it is fine to insult this other brand (there are more brands other than TR that fit this description)? And the point of that was, let people voice their opinions, and don't make a big deal out of it.

Your OP was clearly not the base of this. It was all the other people claiming the people that don't like Nudie are just "pretentious fucks" (which you +1ed by the way). If you wanted to ask this question, it is fine. The answer from Koala was definitely what you should have been looking for. I would have said Sigmatic, but he started off on that pretentious/sheep thing.

+5 for references of both jeans and motorbikes in one post

Breaking apart your post to make responding to each part easier.

I thought we're talking about the world of dry denim. No doubt that Nudies are considerably less known to the general public. But this is not the case for people who are aware of and into dry denim (as you mention below).

I suppose I can accept that, but I don't understand the appeal. I don't understand why it is good to jump to the popularized brand without exploring other unique and possibly better options. If you conclude Nudie is best for you after doing this research, then great. But if you conclude that Nudie is best because popular culture dictates that it's the "cool" and "in" brand of dry denim, then not so great. Then you're just sheep.

Sure. I had a pair of Nudie Slim Jims that I went true to size with. After about 2.5 months I had a crotch and seat blowout while doing some wall climbing. It was unfortunate. APCs always stretch like mad and that's why people tend to go around 2 sizes down. If you didn't do so that might be why the top button and/or waist feels loose. That's a lot of dry denim to be working on simultaneously. Unless you're not into developing fades and such (which is okay if you're not) then I'd recommend focusing on a few pairs at a time. Isn't the "evolution" part of the appeal of dry denim? When you're cycling through 10 pairs, you lose that. And for your last statement...unless I'm misunderstanding you what you're asking...I'll happily state that Nudie isn't the top tier of denim quality.

The brand whoring I'm speaking of is when you choose an item because of the brand name and not because of the quality. The whoring is when you sacrifice quality in order to have an easily recognizable item that you can show off. What's pathetic is when 90% of the money paying is for the brand name on the ass and the little stitching on the pockets. These companies know that they can throw out relative junk and charge lots of money for it because they know that people will pay gobs of money just for the name. In my humble opinion most of the brands that are popular on this board fall under this category. But this is where I differ in what I feel is important. A recognizable brand is not important to me, while quality, construction, etc. is. While I can understand where a recognizable brand may be important enough to others where they are willing to lose the quality aspect. To each their own.

Thanks for the grammar correction. I missed that.

spastic_koala you've made some really great points, plus i love that your name has koala in it! Makes me want to snuggle a koala bear *snuggle*

^^^cute!

The guys, you got to love them.Fun reading.
In the end they are just jeans and you have two choices. You either like them or you don't.


Thanks dave, for noticing my reference.

^^^Carry on, then.

My e-penis is koala sized. Wait...that's probably not a good thing.

I'm sleepy, I should take a nap.

^ awww (yuck to the penis part) but you look snuggle-able!!!!!

i find that hard to believe, considering that in early feb. 2008 you posted this on SuFu:

Better intro to selvedge. I'm still learning too. I was a lurker on sufu for about a year before I ever started posting. Just reading and learning.

I'm flattered by the stalking, though.

i'd stalk you too now that i know you're a cuddly koala

Brand whoring has always been around and will always be around. The vast majority of people wear their clothing to show off exclusive/expensive labels. It's never been about quality to the masses. Quality wouldn't keep brands in business and besides, with high quality nobody would have an excuse to keep buying new jeans... as everyone here so enjoys doing... all the time (so much so they put themselves on 'jean bans'...)

I agree with you a million percent. Branding is just plain good business. And yes, the majority of the people do want people to know that they spent X amount of money on Y brand. Does it make it right? Probably not. But it's understandable that people like to show off and like the attention. Deep down everyone craves attention and you achieve that with the more popularized brands even if they don't have great quality. I can see how all this can be addicting too. Heck, even following these more obscure brands that make higher quality denim at lower production rates has a high level of addictiveness.

I don't expect there to be any change to this brand whoring model as it provides the fashion industry with tons and tons of money.

funny coming from you.

My point was, and why I bolded the word "fuck" was because you were complaining about me using the word and being crass or whatever, then someone else uses it, which happens to coincide with your own opinion and you +1 it.

All that aside, who other than jskidder and possibly DieselEmployee are going around bad mouthing Nudies? Are you referring to people on SuFu? Maybe some people are following the bandwagon, but others most likely stopped purchasing Nudies for all the reasons koala has listed. And the people on the bandwagons, well who cares what they say. Everyone gets hyped up or down by someone for something. Not everyone is a leader in everything.

Personally I know myself 2 years ago to now has changed a lot in my product knowledge and preferences. There is nothing wrong with this.