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Flathead F310

post #1 of 45
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Just got these in 2 days ago. I was excited to try them out and they have not disappointed. These pics are post soak, nothing fancy just want to show the fit.





These jeans were unsanforized, yet I was still shocked at just how much they shrank over a 1 hr warm soak.
Total, about 1 inch in the waist, and almost 2 inches on the inseam. As you can see they don't stack at all, the length is spot on for me (for reference I have about a 35" inseam).

pros:
-STIFF. If regular nudies were a piece of tissue, these would be a sheet of cardboard. It almost takes effort to bend my knees. If I could balance these properly they'd stand on their own.
-heavy on the indigo. These are meant for fast, high-contrast fades. They almost look black but they are actually a very dark blue. Sticking my hands in my pockets my hands actually come out w/ a blue tinge.
-overall fit & style. Main reason I got these... they just look solid, the fit is spot on and once they break in it'll only get better.

cons:
-zipper fly. It going to take me some time to get used to this, but I would have much preferred a button fly. Hopefully it won't affect my whisker fades too much
-heavy on the indigo. This is also a con. My white shoes are already turning blue, it's only going to get worse. Ditto on my white tees, or any nice white upholstery.
-narrow pockets. Front pockets are basically useless. I can barely fit my hands in them, and if I drop change or my phone (which is small) in there, it's a huge hassle pulling them out.

Overall these are my fav in my relatively small raw denim collection. Hope to post some good updates throughout their life cycle.
Btw for anyone whos interested in getting these, they are abundantly available in Japan. Just hook up w/ a dependable proxy and you're good to go. I got mine $240 shipped.
or, if you want the easier more costly approach, get them through self edge.
post #2 of 45
damn, so its cheaper to proxy these than to just get them from selfedge? nice fit.
post #3 of 45
Thread Starter 
^ Yep. My proxy only charged 5% though... it's best to just know someone that can hook you up. I would never deal w/ anyone who went over 10%.
post #4 of 45
Yeah, most cases it is cheaper to buy direct from the source especially if you have a friend or something in Japan and you don't have to pay the 10% or whatever proxy.

You can buy directly from Skull. Shipping is 2400yen. They had a page for international orders, but maybe they got their actually e-store up and running for such orders now.

That being said though, it is good to support SE or BiG, especially if you are local!

edit: Nice fit btw!
post #5 of 45
Nice fit!
post #6 of 45
Fun!
post #7 of 45
Very nice fit!
post #8 of 45
Mine will be here soon!
post #9 of 45
wow those are awesome!!!


I'm surprised it's cheaper from Japan seeing how weak the dollar is after shipping, proxy, etc... Then again i'm not surprised if Japanese Dry is Everywhere for dirt cheap in Japan. Much like i'm sure Diesel is probably found in tons of European outlet stores for 50-75% off.
post #10 of 45
I really like those, and they fit you really well. Looking forward to following their progress in time.
post #11 of 45
can you answer some of my noob soak questions?


How is soaking different from washing? Will the denim lose dye and become softer? Does the dye settle into the denim (which makes it harder to fade afterwards?)

After soak, how do you dry it? Does it hang dry?

Sounds like a real pain in the ass.
post #12 of 45
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Originally Posted by DieselEmployee View Post
can you answer some of my noob soak questions?


How is soaking different from washing? Will the denim lose dye and become softer? Does the dye settle into the denim (which makes it harder to fade afterwards?)

After soak, how do you dry it? Does it hang dry?

Sounds like a real pain in the ass.
soaking is different from washing in that there's no abrasion to the denim, unlike what a spin cycle would cause during a wash. It's that turbulence that causes the indigo to bleed heavy from a wash.
A soak causes very minimal indigo loss since the water is still.
Most people hang dry after a soak, if you're hardcore you can actually soak your jeans while wearing them. Doesn't make them any less stiff, or harder to fade.
It's not a pain at all though, an hour or so in the tub, hang dry, you're good to go.
post #13 of 45
but when you hang dry, doesn't the gravity pull the water down causing tons of bleeding or streaking? Does the stitching change color?

I know yours are a 50/50 blend but for jeans with all cotton stitching?
post #14 of 45
Quote:
Originally Posted by DieselEmployee View Post
can you answer some of my noob soak questions?


How is soaking different from washing? Will the denim lose dye and become softer? Does the dye settle into the denim (which makes it harder to fade afterwards?)

After soak, how do you dry it? Does it hang dry?

Sounds like a real pain in the ass.
with unsanforized denim, soaking or washing before wearing is mandatory. i can assure you that it does not affect the way the denim will fade in any way. soaking will cause the jeans to lose less indigo that washing because there is no agitation, but even if you do a wash instead of a soak the amount of indigo lost will not hinder the jeans ability to fade.

and as far as indigo "settling into the denim", there is really no such thing. raw denim will continue to fade even after 100 washes, the overall color will just be lighter the more you wash them. washing once before wearing will not cause a huge amount of indigo loss. the reason you want to hold off on washing dry denim for as long as possible is not so much to preserve the indigo as it is to preserve the creasing formed with wear. the creases are what causes the jeans to fade, nbot the lack of washing or soaking.

and yes, soaking or washing does cause the denim to become a little softer because some of the starch in the denim will be lost. this will also not affect the end result of the fading, though it may slow it down slightly because it may take longer for creases to form if there is less starch in the denim. but you can always starch them yourself if they are not stiff enough for your taste.

as far as soaking/washing methods, the standard suggested soak is at least 4 hours in the hottest water you can get from your tap. some like to soak more, some like to soak less. the goal is to remove as much of the shrinkage as possibe before wearing. you can also control the shrink by using a waistband stretcher or wearing the jeans during the soak. some people like to throw them in the washing machine for a hot rinse and spin and then toss them in a hot dryer for an hour, which is the sure fire way to get ALL shrinkage out of the way. others will just soak for an hour like hisma. its all up to the individual, and no matter how you do it the jeans will still fade just fine. as far as drying, hanging them will not cause streaking at all. just lay them out onto a dry towel after the soak and roll them up tightly before hanging so they are not completely soaking wet.

and don't even worry about indigo bleeding on the stitching. you won't even notice it.
post #15 of 45
yes, hang drying involves gravity. but it doesn't cause tons of bleeding, the denim character is responsible for that. and it's not like indigo is going to be coming off in big oily ropes or anything, it just looks like your toilet water when you put in a new '2000 flushes' cake.

for jeans with all cotton stitching, the answer is YES. BUT.

if the denim is prone to bleeding and the stitching is a light color, then yes this will happen. It happened on my DenimJunkies with a sort of canary colored thread. however, the thing about cotton is that it doesn't hold indigo dye very well and this will eventually fade out, and noone but you will see the difference.
post #16 of 45
Thread Starter 
btw, thanks for all the nice comments guys
post #17 of 45
Nice fit! I actually just got my F310s today. They're sitting on my desk, however I'll have to wait until after work to try them on.
post #18 of 45
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Originally Posted by steveoly View Post
Nice fit! I actually just got my F310s today. They're sitting on my desk, however I'll have to wait until after work to try them on.
nice bro, post some pics if you get a chance
post #19 of 45
I've been washing my Samurais every 4-6 weeks and they're still pretty dark. Pix after the next wash in a month
post #20 of 45
Will my tub turn blue?
post #21 of 45
not permanently. just clean it afterwards.
post #22 of 45
Damn these look nice as hell. The only thing I'm worried about raw denim is the fact that the indigo transfers to shoes and shirts. Which means that I can't wear any nice shoes at all and I have to wear some converses.
post #23 of 45
^ they will bleed onto shoes. i haven't had the problem with shirts that i've noticed, but hey - thats usually the jap raw denim game. I wore my flatheads when it was rainy out and not only did my white shoes turn blue, but my hands did too. i've only had this issue with the hands once and i've gotten used to it.

everyone should also note that the pics do NOT show you the character of the denim. they are NOT smooth or slightly shiny. they are very dark, rough, stiff, and hairy. if you are in the market for a dressy, classy denim, then you will not like these.

and hisma: if you want to see useless front pockets, try some IronHeart 634s. i've worn them 20 or so times (they are NOT tight on the thighs or hips) and still have enough problems gettin my keys out of my pocket that i put them in the back ones most of the time.,
post #24 of 45
when does the bleeding stop?
post #25 of 45
It depends on the jeans. Some bleed way more than others and some dont bleed at all. My samurais dont bleed even a little but my sugarcane hawaiis bleed like NUTS especially if they get wet...
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