^ Wow..I just posted this msg and only some posted! DooDooDoooDoo .. That was my ghostly sound, i failed at delivery. ..As for the first pair..in person the wash is rougher and almost fake looking.. Thats why i think they may be real.. The style uses an odd wash/denim.. I have sold a similar wash/style that i got from nordstrom, if i can find the pics i will post for comparison if it helps

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