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post #26 of 57
2/29/08 at 10:29am
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Originally Posted by blm14 View Post
That is, even though selvage itself means bubkis, the fact that a producer took the time to use selvage denim strongly predisposes him or her to also use selvage denim that is of high quality.
or it could mean that the producer is out to fool the masses into thinking that their jeans are better than they really are by using selvedge, because i think that a lot of people have the same misconception about selvedge that dieselemployee has...
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post #27 of 57
2/29/08 at 10:49am
I'm confused as to what someone means when they say a particular brand runs TTS..True to what size?..ones actual measured waist or are Diesel wearers comparing the sizing to Diesel, which as we all know, is no where near actual TTS....I realize Diesel isn't the only brand with "vanity" sizing..it's getting ridiculous. I wish everyone would adopt the same sizing standards...it's hard enough figuring out shrinkage with raws; adding the sizing confusion makes it impossible.
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post #28 of 57
2/29/08 at 10:56am
TTS is relative. typically when most people refer to dry or raw denim running TTS they mean that the actual waist measurement of the jeans post-soak matches the tagged size.
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post #29 of 57
2/29/08 at 11:06am
^^^^ but that's still confusing....how does the tag size post soak compare to actual waist size? is it safe to assume that if someone says a raw brand runs TTS that post soak the tag size will = actual waist size?
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post #30 of 57
2/29/08 at 11:24am
TTS is just as much bullshit as vanity sizing. there's no real standard and there really can't be since sizing in itself is subjective. waist measurements can be taken anywhere from the top of the hips to the belly button depending on the rise, and then you have to factor in how YOU want to wear them...there's no magical number we can all refer to and even though we scour for accurate and complete measurements we're still taking an educated guess at best.

that being said, the waist measurement is probably the LEAST important one to me when i'm looking for a new pair.

it's kinda like buying a car: it looks great in pictures and all the numbers add up on paper, but are you sure you want to buy it before you take a test drive? i mean, there's a million tiny little things you could totally hate about it...
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post #31 of 57
2/29/08 at 11:57am
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Originally Posted by Sigmatic View Post
TTS is just as much bullshit as vanity sizing. there's no real standard and there really can't be since sizing in itself is subjective. waist measurements can be taken anywhere from the top of the hips to the belly button depending on the rise, and then you have to factor in how YOU want to wear them...there's no magical number we can all refer to and even though we scour for accurate and complete measurements we're still taking an educated guess at best.

that being said, the waist measurement is probably the LEAST important one to me when i'm looking for a new pair.

it's kinda like buying a car: it looks great in pictures and all the numbers add up on paper, but are you sure you want to buy it before you take a test drive? i mean, there's a million tiny little things you could totally hate about it...
I understand what you're tryin' to say and agree that there is no substitute for tryin' a pair on but there most definitely can be standards. measurements aren't subjective and if one could rely on measurements to be accurate, albeit rudimentary, it would make things easier.
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post #32 of 57
2/29/08 at 12:33pm
like i said, TTS usually refers to the measurement of the waist of the jeans (NOT of the body or waist of the person wearing them) being equal to the tagged size. for instance, if a pair of jeans is tagged as a size 28 and after soaking (if they are unsanforized) the waist ,easurement od said jeans is equal to 28 then that pair would be considered as running TTS. wether or not they will fit a person with a true 28w anyone's guess though, because there are lots of other factors involved. most importantly the rise, which determines where they will sit on your body. its a tricky situation, but if you can't try them on the best thing is to do your research and look at pics of people wearing the jeans to get an idea. one of the best things about sufu is the wealth of pics of the same people wearing different jeans so you can compare the sizes they wear in different pairs and how the fit varies in general.
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post #33 of 57
2/29/08 at 2:14pm
^^ I hear ya James...thanks........guess what i was saying is this:
if diesel made a raw TTS pair, after soaking the waist would be the tagged size but the tagged size is not an actual size..............I wish sufu registration was open
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post #34 of 57
2/29/08 at 2:45pm
^you can still browse all the forums without registering though, right?
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post #35 of 57
2/29/08 at 8:30pm
If Diesel made a raw "TTS" pair, I am sure it is going to be within the measurements of whatever the hell they think the size should be compared to their other jeans.

Maybe the difference is what fits TTS (in that person's opinion), and what measures TTS. In any case, if someone only mentions it fits "TTS", I would really want to take a look at the measurements anyways.

Also about what Hisma said, I would not call having selvedge detailing something beneficial since this is only based on opinion not fact. As already seen in this thread, many people do not like the selvedge detailing on the coin pocket, so what has become something positive, has turned negative.
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post #36 of 57
2/29/08 at 8:33pm
i don't see diesel making a TTS anything ever. diesel sizing is completely whack.
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post #37 of 57
2/29/08 at 8:37pm
Well Diesel sizing as mentioned already I think is based on your waist size. So if you measure the smallest part of your waist, that should be your size. Of course different denims stretch out more or less so that might effect your final size. Other than that though, I think that they are aiming for for that "TTS" based on smallest waist measurement size.
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post #38 of 57
2/29/08 at 8:52pm
i don't see how diesel is in any conceivable way TTS. my size 26 diesels typically measure anywhere between 29" and 31" in the waist when laid out flat. diesel is the only brand that i wear a 26 in, so if diesel were to be considered TTS then almost every other brand on the planet runs really small. case in point would be that almost anyone you ask would say that dior jeans run big and should be sized down for, yet compared to diesel one needs to size up. personally i would consider myself a TTS 28, which is what i would take in brands that are considered to be TTS by most people such as skull, pbj, or flathead. i suppose it all comes down to how an individual defines TTS, which is subjective, but by the general consensus diesel runs very big.
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post #39 of 57
2/29/08 at 9:15pm
All I am saying is that Diesel tries to at least size their bottoms so whatever is your smallest waist measurement should be your size. So for example if we were in the Diesel section of the forum, someone asks if it is "TTS" and someone might reply, "No, it runs large." or "No, it runs small."

I am not disagreeing with you, and this is totally just reiterating your point again. I am just stating that different brands have different "TTS"s, unless you are looking it completely from a measurement point of view. If you look at it that way though, you would have to buy a pair that is worn at a higher rise smaller than a lower rise model.

The whole point is that TTS doesn't really work unless you are using it as a comparison if you are using it as a basis for finding what size you need.
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post #40 of 57
2/29/08 at 9:21pm
the whole concept just makes my head hurt. all i know is that i need a 26 in diesel, a 27 in dior, and a 28 in most japanese raw stuffs. knowing that i can pretty much use those facts to determine what i would need in just about anything else if i do a little research. so basically, fuck tts...
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post #41 of 57
2/29/08 at 9:23pm
Yeah. Measurements are king, IMO!
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post #42 of 57
2/29/08 at 9:44pm
Does Naked & Famous have any bootcut jeans?
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post #43 of 57
2/29/08 at 9:47pm
Not for men. Women have a model with a slight bootcut.
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post #44 of 57
3/1/08 at 11:25am
I bought some dry levis the other day and I needed a size 34 (downsized) when I can fit into a size 30 Diesel EASY. That's nothing though, I can fit into a 28 Sevens...

I thought tts means if you measure the waist flat and double it that should be the tagged size.
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post #45 of 57
3/1/08 at 6:31pm
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Originally Posted by jskidder View Post
the whole concept just makes my head hurt....
that was my original point
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post #46 of 57
3/2/08 at 9:59am
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Originally Posted by Tsukasa View Post
Not for men. Women have a model with a slight bootcut.
SevenKid is in!


My god people just measure them .

Low rise sizes are misleading anyway, I have a 27 inch waist and 37 inch hips, and some stuff inbetween here and there. With a say, 7.5 inch rise, I need about a 29/30 inch waist measurement to account for curvature of my anatomies.
Nothing goes way up there around my waist.

Diesel USED to be the same as original 501's years ago. In late 80's early 90's.
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post #47 of 57
3/2/08 at 7:03pm
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Originally Posted by begret View Post
SevenKid is in!
This is true the moment they become available in America.
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post #48 of 57
3/4/08 at 11:49pm
How does the inseam run on the N&F Weird Guy jean Vintage blue Selvage Jeans?
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post #49 of 57
3/5/08 at 12:07am
I just wanted to mention that I saw an article by the maker of Naked and Famous (i wish I could find it again for you guys) and the owner basically said that even thought they use selvedge denim (without getting into the whole... quality of denim issues), they odn;t do a lot of the small details that are such a staple of the higher end brands. Stuff like hidden rivets, chainstitching, etc

It is a very, very basic jean. Nothing special.
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post #50 of 57
3/5/08 at 12:26am
Yeah, so what do you expect for $100?
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