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Viker-like RAW DENIM

post #1 of 39
1/29/08 at 8:18pm
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Hey guys,
i'm coming from the Diesel forum because i really want to pick up my first pair of raw denim. For those of you familiar with Diesel, i'm looking for a Viker like fit (straight leg).

I'd also love it to be pretty simple (no backpocket designs - just clean and simple). Cost really doesn't matter, but would like to stay under $300. Or, if there are any great values out there, i'd be interested in those as well.

Any suggestions guys? Any help would be great!

Thanks in advance.
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post #2 of 39
1/29/08 at 8:28pm
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These are my actual measurements for my worn vikers...i'd love a similar fit

waist: 16" aligned (so 32")
front rise:9.75"-10"
back rise: 14"
upper thigh: 11"
knee: 8.5"
leg opening: 8.5"


Let me know guys!
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post #3 of 39
1/29/08 at 8:29pm
aoc new standard if you want to keep it cheap. otherwise, i'd say skull 5010xx or pbj xx-005/xx-008/xx-007 (all same cut, just different denim) is the best bet. you should just search around the blue in green and selfedge sites and look at different models and compare measurements. you can't go wrong with any of the brands they carry.
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post #4 of 39
1/29/08 at 8:35pm
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the PBJ look great, but i'm confused about the 'post wash' measurements they give.

Aren't you supposed to not wash these? In which case i'd just go with their pre-wash measurements? But even with those measurements, should i further size down because of stretching?


Then on the other hand, Skull doesn't have any post wash sizing - so how does that work?

Man - i'm confused...Again, help would be great
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post #5 of 39
1/29/08 at 8:39pm
you have to wash or soak the pbj before you wear it because they are unsanforized. the post-wash measurements are the only ones you need to look at, really. the skulls you looked at were probably one-wash, which means that they come already having been washed and dried once to eliminate all of the shrinkage so they are ready to wear right away. all the normal 5010xx sold in the usa are one wash i believe, but the 6x6 model (heavier denim) comes in both raw and one wash form and it makes no difference which one you go for.
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post #6 of 39
1/29/08 at 8:44pm
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So washing these from the get-go doesn't hurt the breaking in process?

If the first soak doesn't hurt them, then why are you not supposed to wash them much from there on out?
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post #7 of 39
1/29/08 at 8:47pm
^no, it doesn't hurt. it is mandatory. you aren't supposed to wash them once you start wearing them because the creases that form with wear are what creates the fades, and if you wash them the creases go away and you have to start forming them all over again.
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post #8 of 39
1/29/08 at 8:47pm
i would say flathead f310 or the new 3001, cheap, well not too cheap but great raws and contrats, one of my favorite jeans ans cut.
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post #9 of 39
1/29/08 at 8:48pm
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the PBJ XX-005 look great! I can only committ 2-3 days a week to these because of work. Will it take forever to get any results?
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post #10 of 39
1/29/08 at 8:49pm
pbj will probably give the best ratio of effort to wear. pbj denim breaks in really well.
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post #11 of 39
1/29/08 at 9:06pm
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When looking at the post-wash measurements in PBJ, the size 32 appears to be what i need because it shrinks to 32" waist (starts at 34.5" pre-wash) which is what my Vikers are. But, are they going to stretch from 32" in which case i should size down? Should i size down to a post wash of 31" and just expect stretching to 32"?

basically, all my jeans measure to 32"...so what should i get here?
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post #12 of 39
1/29/08 at 9:07pm
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Originally Posted by jskidder View Post
all the normal 5010xx sold in the usa are one wash i believe, but the 6x6 model (heavier denim) comes in both raw and one wash form and it makes no difference which one you go for.

I bought the 6x6 which are raw/unsanforized. Should I have soaked them before I wore them? BiG told me no but now I'm not so sure
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post #13 of 39
1/29/08 at 9:12pm
these are the 6x6 raw model, these require a soak before wearing:

http://blueingreensoho.com/site/inde...mart&Itemid=28

these are the 6x6 one-wash, these do not need to be soaked before wearing:

http://blueingreensoho.com/site/inde...mart&Itemid=28

its imposible for me to know which ones you got, but if they told you at the store not to soak them then i am pretty sure you got the one-wash model since i couldn't imagine the folks there would steer you wrong. honestly, i don't know why anyone would go and buy a pair in-store and NOT get the one-wash so that is most likely what you have.
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post #14 of 39
1/29/08 at 9:13pm
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Originally Posted by sunman42000 View Post
When looking at the post-wash measurements in PBJ, the size 32 appears to be what i need because it shrinks to 32" waist (starts at 34.5" pre-wash) which is what my Vikers are. But, are they going to stretch from 32" in which case i should size down? Should i size down to a post wash of 31" and just expect stretching to 32"?

basically, all my jeans measure to 32"...so what should i get here?
just size up 2 from your viker size and you will be solid.
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post #15 of 39
1/29/08 at 9:17pm
no i definitely got the raw..definitely/ I know cuz i was gonna get a pair of Eternal that were 1 wash but decided I wanted raw....mine are raw and stiff like a board.....should i soak them now..worn for 3 daze......in a bathtub.?..hot or cold water?
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post #16 of 39
1/29/08 at 9:22pm
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wow, i hate to be such a pain in the ass - i appreciate your help!

i'm a 30 in Viker (which is actually 32")

Sizing up 2 would bring me to a size 32 PBJ which shrinks to 32" which is EXACTLY what i need. But aren't they going to stretch?
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post #17 of 39
1/29/08 at 9:23pm
the one wash are still raw, they have basically just been soaked for you. i don't see why anyone would get them unwashed if given the option of having them pre-soaked for you to eliminate all of the shrinkage and eliminate any post-soak sizing uncertainty. they will wear in exactly the same regardless of whether you go with the unwashed or one-wash. but if you are certain you got the unwashed version then you need to soak them,l otherwise there is no point in wearing them in because tyhe fades will be completely out of proportion on your body once you finally do wash them. but if you have the raw unwashed and they fit you now, once you soak/wash them there is pretty much no way they will fit you after you do so...
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post #18 of 39
1/29/08 at 9:27pm
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Originally Posted by sunman42000 View Post
wow, i hate to be such a pain in the ass - i appreciate your help!

i'm a 30 in Viker (which is actually 32")

Sizing up 2 would bring me to a size 32 PBJ which shrinks to 32" which is EXACTLY what i need. But aren't they going to stretch?
you could do a 31, but you would be in extreme pain for the first 2 weeks while stretching the waist out. its up to you, really. i think a 32 would be perfect, a 31 will definitely be tighter than a viker in 32.
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post #19 of 39
1/29/08 at 9:28pm
they are def unwashed. i know cuz i had them hemmed @ BiG and the shrinkage was taken into account..should I soak them in a tub? with cold or hot water?
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post #20 of 39
1/29/08 at 9:29pm
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THANK YOU jskidder!
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post #21 of 39
1/29/08 at 9:32pm
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they are def unwashed. i know cuz i had them hemmed @ BiG and the shrinkage was taken into account..should I soak them in a tub? with cold or hot water?
at least 4 hours in the hottest water you can possibly get from your tap. then you can either hang them to dry or you can toss them in the drier on high, depending on how much shrinkage you want to get out. if you want all of it out, use the drier. if you want to control the shrinkage just hang them.
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post #22 of 39
1/29/08 at 9:32pm
and in the future, i suggest always going with the one-wash when available.
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post #23 of 39
1/29/08 at 9:35pm
very cool James....your expertise is much appreciated...thank you

BTW: Eternal produces amazing fades....they had a book with pics and a sample in the store..they looked incredible
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post #24 of 39
1/29/08 at 9:38pm
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Originally Posted by sunman42000 View Post
THANK YOU jskidder!
you decide on the 005 or 008? 005 is thicker and slubby, which is nice, but 008 has the illest fades. 008 looks more like a true vintage denim when broken in, so the end result will end up more like a 772-type look. 005 looks just like any other broken in raw, which will be darker and more contrasty kinda like 71b.
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post #25 of 39
1/29/08 at 9:40pm
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Originally Posted by sonicvoodoo View Post
very cool James....your expertise is much appreciated...thank you

BTW: Eternal produces amazing fades....they had a book with pics and a sample in the store..they looked incredible
no problem!

yeah, eternal denim is SICK. unfortunately they don't really offer any modern slim cuts. same with samurai. actually, most of the brands that have the really nice denim primarily use a more classic, repro-like cut.
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