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post #1 of 74
10/21/07 at 1:12am
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i know, wrong forum. But this is my section. Ive tried venturing into the other subforums, but i feel like a fish out of water

ive been interested in raw for a while....almost pulled the trigger on some ddg thanaz and then nudies, but resisted both times. Recently a member turned me onto Dior 19cm raw, and they look fuckin sick

i understand there is 19 cm and 21cm. Is there anything else? Anything i should know? Places to buy? Sizing?

i know, i can search, but i dont really want to. I figure all the times ive answered lame brain q's for ppl,its timefor the tables to turn. Informational Karma
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post #2 of 74
10/21/07 at 1:17am
there are two types of dior raw. Made in italy (MII) and made in Japan (MIJ). The japanese denim is considered to be better by many. They also claim that MIJ diors stretch less. I think general rule of thumb is to size up one from zathan size, but I have heard that dior measurements can vary a lot from pair to pair. There are some more knowledgeable people on the forum when it comes to diors, but that should be a good start.
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post #3 of 74
10/21/07 at 1:39am
I'd be interested in finding out what size 19cms to get too. Unfortunately I don't have a pair of Zathans to size from.
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post #4 of 74
10/21/07 at 2:40am
I have both. The 19cm MIJ is a great cut if you're slim, proportionate and get the sizing right. IMHO the 19cm is not for everyone. The 21cm fits just like safado/viker (really hard to look too bad in) imo and is not worth it bc there are better raws with similar cuts out there.
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post #5 of 74
10/21/07 at 3:25am
I've personally heard that if you're not going for the 19cm Diors, then they simply aren't worth it. A hefty premium of the price you pay is for the Dior label themselves as there are many brands of raw denim out there with better material. If you value material over cut then you should look elsewhere.
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post #6 of 74
10/21/07 at 3:56am
Dior Homme Denim (FAQ ON FIRST PAGE - read me) - superfuture :: supertalk
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post #7 of 74
10/21/07 at 5:04am
I own a 19cm Dior Homme raw jean, made in japan, and wear it everyday kinda.
About sizing, take +1 on your TIGHT zathan size, and stay the same as your normal zathan size. That's what I did. They were really tight at the beggining, but now after a month of wear (even after 2 weeks), they became really comfortable.
In my opinion, the 19cm cut is much more interesting than the 21cm, or the 17cm (which is rarer), and Made in Japan is worth it. I've read and seen that Made In Italy ones sometimes had little flaws that MIJ didn't have, and better denim.
Something you would know ? Well, the inseam is 37", love it or hate it. I personally love it. You can get them at a lot of place, luisaviaroma, diabro and brownsfashion carry them, online. Not sure about real shops in monterey.

But if you don't want to spend that much on raw denim, and also because it's your first one and that those fade overally better, maybe you should consider APC's jeans (the new standard one is the closest to 19cm dh). They retail for $140, but you can sometimes get them cheaper with coupon (at context on styleforum if i remember it well), or on superfuture's supermarket or styleforum's buying/selling section. The cut is not completly the same, but it resemble a lot, and the leg opening is kinda the same. For those, size down 2 or 3 from your normal zathan Size.

If you have any further question, just ask.
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post #8 of 74
10/21/07 at 5:11am
Hey JuyLe, are you sure about sizing down 2 or 3 for APC ? I heard that they fit same as DH jeans ?
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post #9 of 74
10/21/07 at 5:16am
You would only need to size down 2 or 3 if you're buying the New Standard. For the New Cures, you can probably stick with your zathan size or even size up from it.
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post #10 of 74
10/21/07 at 5:32am
I forgot to mention I was talking about the nex standard. Could be safer to try them at a shop and get the one you have difficulties to button up !
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post #11 of 74
10/21/07 at 8:49am
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Originally Posted by JuyLe View Post
I own a 19cm Dior Homme raw jean, made in japan, and wear it everyday kinda.
About sizing, take +1 on your TIGHT zathan size, and stay the same as your normal zathan size. That's what I did. They were really tight at the beggining, but now after a month of wear (even after 2 weeks), they became really comfortable.
In my opinion, the 19cm cut is much more interesting than the 21cm, or the 17cm (which is rarer), and Made in Japan is worth it. I've read and seen that Made In Italy ones sometimes had little flaws that MIJ didn't have, and better denim.

GOLD.

And the Dior Homme jeans thread form SF should solve any size question IMO. It's the clearest sizing guide on internet forum.
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post #12 of 74
10/21/07 at 9:03am
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Originally Posted by SFAM View Post
You would only need to size down 2 or 3 if you're buying the New Standard. For the New Cures, you can probably stick with your zathan size or even size up from it.
That what I thought, thanks.

I own the 19cm since 4 months now and they don't really fade well yet
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post #13 of 74
10/21/07 at 11:20am
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the thing about raw denim is that i prefer quality of cut over materials used. I kinda want a balance between good material and good cut. If it costs more then thats alright because i dont plan on having too many pairs of raw denim.

from what i understand, apc is a good entry level raw denim, but the cut leaves a little to be desired. Same with nudies

i know you wear raw denim til it stretches out like mad, so is cut even a discernible issue?
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post #14 of 74
10/21/07 at 11:30am
If you want classic slim-skinny silhouette, you need DH. Otherwise DH would not be your cup of tea.

APC new cure is just as fine as the price IMO.

I thought you didn't like slim jeans?
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post #15 of 74
10/21/07 at 11:31am
Some people prefer's APC New Standard cut over DH 19cm one. It's a mater of taste. The only thing is that the apc is more "good value for the money" than the diors, even if that doesn't mean AT ALL that buying the diors you pay the little leather tag half the price of the jeans. And btw the APC fade better in some extent.

When you say "i know you wear raw denim til it stretches out like mad, so is cut even a discernible issue?", it's not really true. Jeans such as APC or Dior are sanforized, which mean you don't have to soak before wearing them to fit, and they won't stretch indefinitely, though i heard it's current that apcs stretch like 3 sizes. Generally speaking, there'll be somewhere in time a period where your jeans will not fit as perfectly as they used to. That doesn't mean cut is not important, just that you have to get accustomed to this idea. Cruel choice isn't it ?

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Originally Posted by Narciso View Post
APC new cure is just as fine as the price IMO.
well said.
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post #16 of 74
10/21/07 at 10:19pm
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so which would u guys get? The dior 19cms or the APC new standard
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post #17 of 74
10/21/07 at 10:23pm
new standard is more comparable to the 21cm i believe (both straight legs)

id get the new curez dawgie bonez (deliberating these myself as they fade//deteriorate beautifully)

pics a la corbin law

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post #18 of 74
10/21/07 at 11:07pm
21cm = straight leg
these are the ones im planning on getting when i go to NY for thanksgiving

dont see anything wrong with 21cm, it all dependes on the size of the person and proportions

pics of the 21cm that inspired me to get these (from SuFu)







these are just SICK.
its my consolation for the 713
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post #19 of 74
10/21/07 at 11:09pm
Agreed, nice one. Try both if you can

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leg opening on my sz 31 mii 21cm: 8.4", maybe a bit less

leg opening on sz 31 ns: 7.75" or so
APC NS is not like the 21cm but more like the 19.
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post #20 of 74
10/21/07 at 11:17pm
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hey JuyLe, i saw your name pop up a bunch of times on the supertalk boards, so i guess ur the guy to go to

im a little confused, on the websites that offer APC new standards and new cures, it says that they are vanity sized. ANd i read online that you should sz. down 1, 2 or 3 depending how you want the fit. Do i size one up or down from my actual waist measurement, or do i size down from my normally sized diesel. Since both brands are vanity sized, would i be ok sticking with a sz, 31 in new cures? or should i go to 30?

i want a slimmer legged jean, that fits a lil loose.....think of a loose fitting thanaz basically.

thx
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post #21 of 74
10/22/07 at 10:38am
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Take your diesel size on new cure, they'll be loose, or even size up, if you don't want them to be too loose too soon. For New Standard, size down 2 or 3 from your diesel size depending on when you want them loose.
Anyway, maybe you could check the store that carry APC jeans near your at: A.P.C., if you want it a little loose don't take the one you can hardly button up, but the one that fits you well.
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post #22 of 74
10/22/07 at 11:38am
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Originally Posted by JuyLe View Post
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Take your diesel size on new cure, they'll be loose, or even size down, if you don't want them to be too loose too soon. For New Standard, size down 2 or 3 from your diesel size depending on when you want them loose.
Anyway, maybe you could check the store that carry APC jeans near your at: A.P.C., if you want it a little loose don't take the one you can hardly button up, but the one that fits you well.

thank you much good sir
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post #23 of 74
10/22/07 at 11:40am
With pleasure ! Hope you'll find the right jeans that'll enjoy wearing the next few month !
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post #24 of 74
10/22/07 at 11:48am
just one hint. I noticed when trying on the ss07 raws that they were not as good in quality terms as the ones a friend has from ss05. Also his are much smaller in sizing. If you get one of the new raws I would buy the waxed raw
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post #25 of 74
10/22/07 at 12:10pm
Umm, I wouldn't recommend sizing down from your usual Diesel size for the NC. I'm usually a 28 in Diesel and when I tried on a size 28 NC, I could barely buttom them up. The NC don't stretch as much as the NS does.
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