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post #1 of 53
8/16/07 at 8:08pm
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before i bid and won a thanaz 89s that DOM had up this week, i e-mailed him a number of questions (as i am very meticulous with my jeans).

the first question i asked him was this:

1.) Is the pair first quality, free of defects/defect badging/
marking, unworn, unwashed?

to which he promprtly replied:

yes.

however, i just received the jeans and i see a "DRR 50084" on the waistband, which to me is a "defect badging/marking" that i asked him about.

his auctions say no returns, but i clearly asked him if this pair was mark free and he lied to me.

they also measure about 2 inches too long, the inside info tag doesn't show any art/lab for the thanaz, and some of the inside seam stitching on the inside/back of the jean isn't really all that clean (compared to other diesel pairs i have).

the auction itself even said the pair was first quality and free of defects/flaws.

in fact, it's like it was off an incorrect roll, becuase on the very bottom of the back of the tag, you can see "MOD KEVOR L34" ...

what should i do? i e-mailed him asking what he thought, and why he answered my question incorrectly.
post #2 of 53
8/16/07 at 8:22pm
I have a pair of jeans with "DDR 90032" labeled on the waistband, but I have no idea what is wrong with them. Are the defects so miniscule that nobody could recognize them with the naked eye?
post #3 of 53
8/16/07 at 8:26pm
Hit or miss with DoM

if you want first quality

DIESEL STORE

the thanaz 89s i got from him seem pretty damn perfect to me - they are even tighter than the original pair of first quality 89s i tried on
post #4 of 53
8/16/07 at 8:28pm
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Originally Posted by blackcandy3 View Post
Hit or miss with DoM

if you want first quality

DIESEL STORE

the thanaz 89s i got from him seem pretty damn perfect to me - they are even tighter than the original pair of first quality 89s i tried on
i wasn't buying diesels when these were in stores.

otherwise, all the new pairs i buy are from the store anyway.

is your pair stamped, too?
post #5 of 53
8/16/07 at 8:29pm
yes it's stamped

it's a pretty nice stamp job, as well
post #6 of 53
8/16/07 at 8:35pm
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Originally Posted by blackcandy3 View Post
yes it's stamped

it's a pretty nice stamp job, as well
well, i'm asking for a return or a discount refund. i clearly asked him about the stamp, and even noted that i'm crazy meticulous with my jeans (ask billbonesknows... he'll tell you!).

otherwise... negativooooo.

i wouldn't have paid this price for a stamped pair, infact i wouldn't have paid anything for a stamped pair.

yeah, i'm nuts but why would anyone settle for something they're clearly trying to avoid?
post #7 of 53
8/16/07 at 8:51pm
Are the DRR 50084 and DRR 90032 markings usually for barely noticeable defects/markings or am I missing something?
post #8 of 53
8/16/07 at 8:54pm
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Originally Posted by Afro1989 View Post
Are the DRR 50084 and DRR 90032 markings usually for barely noticeable defects/markings or am I missing something?
can be huge or can be subtle.
post #9 of 53
8/16/07 at 10:19pm
there have been numerous threads about DOM, in every thread it is stated that he does NOT sell 1st quality jeans. It is then stated that there is normally no noticeable mark or irregularity that is not pictured or listed in his auction

this is definately an instance in which the search function would have yielded knowledge that would have prevented this predicament
post #10 of 53
8/16/07 at 10:28pm
He does sell seconds raul or DOM every one knows this its kind like it goes with out saying he is a great guy his jeans are cheap as anything if they have that stamp dont worry theyre still good its not like you are royalty man only you know and that is all that matters
post #11 of 53
8/16/07 at 10:42pm
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Originally Posted by Zubin Diesel View Post
there have been numerous threads about DOM, in every thread it is stated that he does NOT sell 1st quality jeans. It is then stated that there is normally no noticeable mark or irregularity that is not pictured or listed in his auction

this is definately an instance in which the search function would have yielded knowledge that would have prevented this predicament
i did search, and i did read that, but i also saw that people have said that they had fine pairs, and a lot of people were pleased with DoM.

that's why i asked the man himself what the deal was with his jeans. one can't generalize for an entire lot of jeans, so that's why i asked him for this specific pair. and i still got joked.

usually: seller's word on a specific pair > search for a broad generalization, especially on ebay i'd like to believe.
post #12 of 53
8/16/07 at 10:48pm
if DoM sees a flaw, he points it out in the listing.
post #13 of 53
8/16/07 at 10:49pm
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Originally Posted by Sigmatic View Post
if DoM sees a flaw, he points it out in the listing.
i was humming to that understanding, too.

that + the fact that he told me there were no marks or flaws led me to buy them.

and now i'm sitting here, unsettled. i'm still waiting for his reply.
post #14 of 53
8/16/07 at 11:12pm
I am very meticulous about my jeans too, jackie. If that happened to me I would be absolutely choked at DoM.
post #15 of 53
8/16/07 at 11:24pm
Some of these Flawed pairs have extra contrasty distressings though

my former Zathan 70z smoked any other 70z i have seen or had my hands on.

Purchased from? >DoM<
post #16 of 53
8/16/07 at 11:38pm
Raul is pretty nice in answering people's q's.
To him that stamp thing might not be a defect or anything.
This prob would have been avoided if you asked him specifically about the DRF stamp.
just saying defect badging...isn't very specific.

It is also kinda expected if your getting seconds, almost 4 out of 5 pairs I've gotten through DOM has the stamp.
So yea, i guess you can fight him and demand a refund or sth.
But I dun see him doing anything that is out of line.

As you said yourself, if you want firsts then just go to the store, or maybe wait for it in the mall.
Can't really expect much from sellers like DOM to get you perfect pairs.
i'm just happy that there are ppl like him that allow me to get Diesels for cheap.
post #17 of 53
8/17/07 at 1:30am
These stamps are marked by company for clients who buys from them discounted merchandise from previous collections. Diesel wants to have a way in being able to track that these merchandise actually go to the retailer who purchase them and not being wholesale by that particular retailer.

If you actually take this number(which i imagine will be marked on most of the jeans he is listing now) and go to Diesel Raul's supplier could be in a big trouble.

The number goes on jeans with and without defects.
post #18 of 53
8/17/07 at 2:34am
i bought from him before and i guess i am the lucky one who got the jeans without defect
i guess you could argue with him for refund and i think he will give you refund..
cause his feedback is pretty impressive...no one gave him negative feedback
post #19 of 53
8/17/07 at 2:31pm
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Originally Posted by blackcandy3 View Post
yes it's stamped

it's a pretty nice stamp job, as well

But you havent so far pointed out the defect....


No sense in ruining someone's impressive reputation over this.

You could eeven get defective jeans at the very Diesel store. No one is pefect.

You are not being ethical here

I think this is all about paying less
post #20 of 53
8/17/07 at 2:43pm
Some people will argue this with me, but here's my findings:

1) All pairs slated for sale in North America, where specific registered trademark rules apply, have the little "R" within the Diesel coin strip.

2) All pairs slated for European and Asian and other markets do not, due to different registered trademark rules.

3) When Diesel sells to a registered commercial business (such as DoM) who intends to sell those pairs in a market for which they were not intended, Diesel must do something to abide by the rules governing local registered trademarks.

4) Since the pairs had already been detailed for foreign markets, they're not about to rip out all the coin strips and replace them with North American ones.

5) Instead, they stamp the pair with DRR ##### to bring the pair up to par with local registered trademark rules.

5) I imagine certain number combinations indicate irregularities as well...but can't be sure.


^ I'm pretty sure of this, because some people stated that they had received pairs of Farco 762 which had been stamped and had no defects.

The same goes for the VAST majority of DoM's pairs.
post #21 of 53
8/17/07 at 2:55pm
Interesting theory, but I have plenty of Diesel jeans/pants purchased at official brick and mortar Diesel stores in America without the "R" on the coin pocket.
post #22 of 53
8/17/07 at 2:56pm
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Originally Posted by jlpubarch View Post
Some people will argue this with me, but here's my findings:


5) Instead, they stamp the pair with DRR ##### to bring the pair up to par with local registered trademark rules.

5) I imagine certain number combinations indicate irregularities as well...but can't be sure.


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I was going to point out this but besides other reasons I am busy and would rather focus on the BS JackieBoy is trying to put up.

I may be wrong but this seems to be that he wants to pay less using lame excuses.

DDR according some insider told me has to do with trademark deals.

I some Korean dist. gets a good deal from the factory on zathan 71j and wants to make a profit re-selling to US for example (or vice versa) Diesel can easily track down the smart ass by those goods.
post #23 of 53
8/17/07 at 3:17pm
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Originally Posted by jlpubarch View Post
Some people will argue this with me, but here's my findings:

1) All pairs slated for sale in North America, where specific registered trademark rules apply, have the little "R" within the Diesel coin strip.

2) All pairs slated for European and Asian and other markets do not, due to different registered trademark rules.

The second statement is absolutely not true.

As for DOM, I wouldn't complain too much since I'm only paying 70% of retail price and no sale tax.
post #24 of 53
8/17/07 at 11:15pm
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Originally Posted by ryce View Post
I was going to point out this but besides other reasons I am busy and would rather focus on the BS JackieBoy is trying to put up.

I may be wrong but this seems to be that he wants to pay less using lame excuses.

DDR according some insider told me has to do with trademark deals.

I some Korean dist. gets a good deal from the factory on zathan 71j and wants to make a profit re-selling to US for example (or vice versa) Diesel can easily track down the smart ass by those goods.
i'm not trying to pay less using lame excuses.

the only problem i have is that i asked something pretty specific regarding the transaction, this was verified by DOM, and then the product i received didn't coincide with the exact question that i had previously asked. period. i would have even paid retail for a pair of 89s, i'm not trying to hustle anyone. DOM had the 89s in my size on ebay, and i was interested. that's all.
post #25 of 53
1/5/08 at 5:07pm
all the people who defend DoM are wrong! The guy writes in his auction:

Note: These jeans are 1st quality with absolutely no flaws or defects.

Ok, If I buy them and they don't fit and I try to resell them and someone else gets them stamped DRR, they will complain and I will get in trouble for it.

The guy said to me too that there were no defects but the 88z's are dirty and spotted, none of my other 88z's have that problem.

In addition, I paid MUCH MORE than buying from a reputable store like say, Revolve, for jeans that are 2 years old AND Irregular.

Sure I saved about 40% but you can get post season jeans anywhere online that are authentic at a savings of 50-70% and have them be non-DRR. The fact that the guy lied about it is wrong too and I do not understand how anyone could have 100% feedback after doing 15,000 sales.

I should have came here and asked around instead of AF, should have known better than to trust treasurehoard who doesn't know anything.

the DRR stamp is more than region protection, these jeans plain suck. They look like a car ran them over. Maybe it's not noticeable on distressed denim but it is on a shinny clean wash like 88z.

Last time I buy from Ebay. First fakes, then irregulars. Next time I buy Diesels, it will be from bluefly or revolve during seasonal sales (every 3 months). I'll just stock up 3-5 pairs every other season.
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