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post #26 of 134
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Originally Posted by morejeansplease! View Post
Agreed. Threadcrapping is rude, but it happens and we just need to get over it or report it. There just seems to be way to many ways to cause trouble by allowing everyone to mod their own threads.
But it's not modding if only the seller can post in the thread. The seller still wouldn't be able to edit others' comments or have any other mod powers.

Why is it such a bad idea? I'm just curious. I know the inboxes are really small here, so I see that posing a problem for sure.

Though only on HF, I HAVE seen posters coming to the conclusion that denim is fake several times within a sales thread with no mod having noticed beforehand. So in that case, here at HF it would be important to have the commenting turned on.
post #27 of 134
^Or you could report the post. Or pm a mod if you see a fake
post #28 of 134
Nique, you complain a lot, don't you?
post #29 of 134
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Originally Posted by jskidder View Post
I'm not really replying to what was said here but rather the thread in HM. I just read it. I must agree w/ the seller. Those who are familiar with the jean/size will know they are available elsewhere for less and just won't buy this seller's pair of jeans at $299. If someone feels like they are getting a fair deal, or a pair of jeans they want badly w/out searching every retailer on the planet (btw I've never heard of jjdenim), then so be it. It's the buyer's choice. No one should mention on another seller's listing that their item is being sold cheaper elsewhere.

I personally try to find the lowest price when I want to buy something so I do a lot of shopping around, which can take a lot of time. Not everyone cares to do that.

A lot of people use phrases like "rare" and "sold out" when it's not. Sometimes when I'm buying my daughter nwt's Gymboree clothing on Ebay, I'll see a seller that has something that was in stores a year before, mention that the piece is sold-out. Yeah, no shit, of course the item would be sold-out if it's now a year or two later! I know better because I'm familar with the brand/line so when I see that, I roll my eyes, and not let those words influence my purchase.

To the seller/OP here, just contact a mod. If one won't do it, ask another. I'd be pissed too but I wouldn't ask for all the rules of HM to change b/c of it. I like getting free bumps- unfortunately yours were negative but most of the time they are positive. If things changed to remove any potentially negative threadcrapping (which is probably pretty rare) it would also change the helpful side of it too.
post #30 of 134
^its not just one store that had them. they are available at ssense as well, and stock in diesel stores was also recently replenished with a new batch of them. i don't know why anyone would think it is ok to misrepresent an item as sold out everywhere when that is simply not the case at all. in a forum built on honesty, people should be able to trust sellers and it isn't fair to buyers when they are being fed a bunch of bs from a seller just so he can charge $60 over retail. i realize that that kind of stuff is rampant on ebay, but this is a controlled environment and our whole goal here is to provide a safe and honest marketplace where buyers and sellers alike can exchange goods without worrying about being scammed or taken advantage of. shit like this undermines the integrity of the community we are trying to create...
post #31 of 134
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Originally Posted by shoppeaholick View Post
To the seller/OP here, just contact a mod. If one won't do it, ask another. I'd be pissed too but I wouldn't ask for all the rules of HM to change b/c of it. I like getting free bumps- unfortunately yours were negative but most of the time they are positive. If things changed to remove any potentially negative threadcrapping (which is probably pretty rare) it would also change the helpful side of it too.
^^ Good points

A seller just can't expect the rules of HM to change because they are having a problem.

If it is such a big deal the seller and they want to be a whiner, they always have ebay. Go pay your crazy fees and hope you get a good honest buyer also.
post #32 of 134
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Originally Posted by jskidder View Post
^its not just one store that had them. they are available at ssense as well, and stock in diesel stores was also recently replenished with a new batch of them. i don't know why anyone would think it is ok to misrepresent an item as sold out everywhere when that is simply not the case at all. in a forum built on honesty, people should be able to trust sellers and it isn't fair to buyers when they are being fed a bunch of bs from a seller just so he can charge $60 over retail. i realize that that kind of stuff is rampant on ebay, but this is a controlled environment and our whole goal here is to provide a safe and honest marketplace where buyers and sellers alike can exchange goods without worrying about being scammed or taken advantage of. shit like this undermines the integrity of the community we are trying to create...
I couldnt agree more Jskidder. If I had a $1 for everytime someone said " sold out everywhere" or "worth $350 retail" I would have a $H&TLOAD of dollars.

Nique, I understand you have been pissed about what appears to be a lot of people here over the last year or so.

Mods, sellers, buyers ect ect ect, as this is not the first time you have had a problem with selling practices, comments, yaddah yaddah yadahh. Their has been the odd time or 2 that your complaints have had some reasoning behind them, but lots of the time they dont.( in my opinion)


Not to be rude, but save yourself the trouble and dont sell here if it causes you so much pain. Members here know where to find pairs and roughly how much they are worth, so stop getting pissed off when you hit the Rack for $90 jeans and try to double the price( figuritively speaking), and members get pissed off and post negative comments.

It will work on ebay, but most people here are too knowledgable about pricing and value ect to bite.

I admit people have said unfair things sometimes, but you are briging it on yourself %90 percent of the time. You dont sound like you have a legit point to make, you sound like you are whining ( in my opinion), and that immidiatly turns people off from wanting to buy/sell or not make comments in your threads.

Especially when you overestimate value, or always claim to sell nothing but the rarest and hard to find jeans. And buyers have a right to be pissed if they see you are asking for way more then retail, or claim you only want your money back ect when in reality, your making a killing.

You are free to charge whatever you want, but dont complain if you always overegagerate price/rarity and ask for huge bucks, and some members call you on it.

I dont agree with members writing were to find them cheaper, it should be reported and I or another mod will delete the comments. But did you ever seem to notice that people always seem to do it to you and not others?

Mods will delete and deal with it if the members are out of line, but I can distinctly remember at least 2 heated pms from you to me wanting to ban or temp ban numerous posters who didnt really cross the line in your posts.
post #33 of 134
Dude, my biggest pet peeve here is that people can sign up, never post anywhere but the mall, and have no sense of what a community actually is. This isn't ebay. This is a place where your input and your opinion are appreciated, accepted, and encouraged. If you're only here to sell, get your ass back to ebay where it's impersonal and the sellers are just out to make a buck. We have a hard enough time weeding out the good guys and the bad guys without having to deal with the bad guys starting stupid threads bitching about how life is so hard for them.
post #34 of 134
Bottom line: You said that the jeans were sold out everywhere, when in fact, they weren't. When someone pointed it out to you, you should've changed your original listing to reflect the HONEST, ACTUAL FACTS. This is not threadcrapping, it's pointing out a mistake that you made in your listing that was misleading to the buyer. You're allowed to charge whatever you want for your jeans, but using a false statement to "bolster" what someone will pay for them is not okay. You can continue to charge $60 more if you like and even ask a mod to remove the link, but you cannot continue to falsely advertise your jeans on Honest Forum.

I would also like to note that you acted completely immaturely in this situation. As I said, you can charge whatever you like for your jeans, but your general conduct has been annoying and excessive. This is HonestForum, not eBay, and we hold our members to a higher standard. Please act accordingly.
post #35 of 134
This place sucks so much, why don't you leave? You're a whiny moron anyway, talking about a "free market" when it's clearly a restricted market in the first place.

Put down the high school Microeconomics book, and either be content with your current profits and STFU, or GTFO.

Thanks for playing,

Your friend,

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post #36 of 134
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Originally Posted by jskidder View Post
^its not just one store that had them. they are available at ssense as well, and stock in diesel stores was also recently replenished with a new batch of them. i don't know why anyone would think it is ok to misrepresent an item as sold out everywhere when that is simply not the case at all. in a forum built on honesty, people should be able to trust sellers and it isn't fair to buyers when they are being fed a bunch of bs from a seller just so he can charge $60 over retail. i realize that that kind of stuff is rampant on ebay, but this is a controlled environment and our whole goal here is to provide a safe and honest marketplace where buyers and sellers alike can exchange goods without worrying about being scammed or taken advantage of. shit like this undermines the integrity of the community we are trying to create...
Jskid is absolutely correct.

So if you were allowed to mod your own thread would you change your title to reflect the fact that they are not "SOLD OUT EVERYWHERE?"

I don't think you are doing yourself any favors by making this thread or behaving in the way that you continue to do. Calling other members "trolls" when they are in fact giving HONEST facts about a product is lame. You should take your false claims to eBay where rules may be more lax; however, don't be surprised if someone on HM reports it for excessive shipping/keyword spamming/misleading title/other listing policy violations for whatever other DISHONEST selling tactics you may use.
post #37 of 134
I think everyone who uses this method should be called out instead of just picking on nique alone.
post #38 of 134
^ amen, brotha
post #39 of 134
nique pretty much called himself out on this one. i only look at listings i am interested in, and i actually don't really see this type of behavior very often if at all.
post #40 of 134
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Originally Posted by dannysgirl45 View Post
Dude, my biggest pet peeve here is that people can sign up, never post anywhere but the mall, and have no sense of what a community actually is. This isn't ebay. This is a place where your input and your opinion are appreciated, accepted, and encouraged. If you're only here to sell, get your ass back to ebay where it's impersonal and the sellers are just out to make a buck. We have a hard enough time weeding out the good guys and the bad guys without having to deal with the bad guys starting stupid threads bitching about how life is so hard for them.
Word.
post #41 of 134
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Originally Posted by nique27 View Post
Otherwise, I would prefer AF's format to the current HM format.
Then by all means, post in AF's mall

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Originally Posted by princess_anne

Though only on HF, I HAVE seen posters coming to the conclusion that denim is fake several times within a sales thread with no mod having noticed beforehand. So in that case, here at HF it would be important to have the commenting turned on.
And not to start a cross-forum war, but even with the mods pre-approving threads in the AF mall, there has been at least one instance where a thread of blatantly fake 7fam's were approved. I haven't seen "several" instances where no HF mod notices that something is fake before the members. Yes, there have been fakes posted in here, but we have dealt with them pretty darn quickly. I don't think people understand the rate at which things are posted in the mall - the mods can't be everywhere at once and it might take 10-15 minutes for them to get to that thread to check on it. No one is perfect and we do well with what we have.
post #42 of 134
I was going to type a well thought out message but I'm too lazy for that. Instead I'll just say this,

YOU ARE A FUCKING DOUCHE BAG!

Love,
Tommy
post #43 of 134
I heart tommy.
post #44 of 134
I heart Lindsey
post #45 of 134
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Originally Posted by lauriebell View Post
Then by all means, post in AF's mall



And not to start a cross-forum war, but even with the mods pre-approving threads in the AF mall, there has been at least one instance where a thread of blatantly fake 7fam's were approved. I haven't seen "several" instances where no HF mod notices that something is fake before the members. Yes, there have been fakes posted in here, but we have dealt with them pretty darn quickly. I don't think people understand the rate at which things are posted in the mall - the mods can't be everywhere at once and it might take 10-15 minutes for them to get to that thread to check on it. No one is perfect and we do well with what we have.
No, sorry-- I think you guys do a great job, I was just mentioning a couple of instances where members were helpful in identifying the problem before the mods could get there. I was trying not to start a forum war either by not mentioning the other forums.

Everyone does things differently, maybe we can learn from each others' successes and mistakes? After all, what matters is the denim!!
post #46 of 134
Thread Starter 
hows this...i could care less what a couple people on a forum think of me. Whether you think I am a whiner etc etc. Ive seen more whining on this forum from others than I can even begin to list...from the whole "one eyed avatar" in support of ben garbage and cross-forum AF/HF bickering to just other outright stupidity. This is the reason I stopped posting regularly to begin with. So sorry, I guess I dont have the right to sell on here now.
Yet, I have a valid point and I was making a suggestion on HM policy. My suggestion was made personal by Jskidmark who called my sale out. Apparently, he and others still find it so impossible to believe I didnt know 71J's were not out of stock. I guess i should not have better things to do with my time...

Im sorry I dont know every website on the web. I live in NY and NJ, recently vacationed in Miami and Montreal within the last month and I can tell you that NO Diesel store or denim store I went to had these jeans 2 weeks ago. On top of that, no well known online store had them in stock (yoox, neimans, bloomingdales, nordstrom etc). So to me, they were sold out. period. Apparently, Im not the only one that thought so....

BNWT Diesel Zathan 71J 30x32 30 x 32 RARE AND SOLD OUT! GET THE BEST ZATHAN WASH!

BRAND NEW w TAGS Diesel ZATHAN 71J 31x32 31 x 32 SOLD OUT!

$240 New Diesel Men's Zathan 71J 29x32 rare Sold Out!! - (item 120147724902 end time Aug-08-07 18:58:38 PDT)

$240 New Diesel Men's Zathan 71J 29x30 rare Sold Out!! - (item 120146762110 end time Aug-28-07 15:51:39 PDT)

If you have a problem with my markup, please refer yourself to every X-Rotuck sold on HM and the way they are marked up. In fact, look at what the other 71J's were originally selling for on HM! I can easily point out other current sales where people are making nice profits off of their HF "comrades". Yet Im the bad guy. I can mark my jeans up to whatever I want just like everyone else and if you dont like it, dont buy it. Yes, putting "sold out" bolsters a sale, but I would not put "sold out" on a pair that I KNOW is still selling in stores.

I would love Dave's take on this since he created this forum to begin with. See the little ads on right? Did you know he makes money off of you guys every time you visit? OH HOW SHAMEFUL! Please remove the idea that this forum is some type of little cult community. It is as much a business venture for the owner as it is for those that choose to sell on it rather than giving their old jeans away to charity. And theres nothing wrong with that.
So if you feel it is fair to disrupt sales threads, then by all means I will post a better deal on any sales thread where I can find the same item cheaper. I guess I can also make note of anyone who profits from their sales too...Its only right, correct? Gotta look out for the "community"...
post #47 of 134
uhm, if you didn't care, why would you compose an essay.
Mall isn't going to change since there's no need to.
End thread.
post #48 of 134
i wasn't trying to make anything personal, you brought this all on yourself when you decided to throw yourself a pity-party in chat. before today i don't think i have ever even clicked on the 30-33 section of the mall, but after reading your OP i had to go see what you were talking about before i could comment. honestly, i was expecting to agree with you 100% because i personally think threadcrapping in general is a shitty thing to do. however, in response to your situation you could have easily just edited your thread or added a post saying something like:

"my bad, these really aren't sold out but my price is still relatively fair. especially considering that there is so much variation in the 71j wash and by purchasing these you can actually see the actual pair you will receive"

but instead you decided to whine about it. like i said, it isn't about the markup its about the misrepresentation of the availability of the jeans. i have no problem with sellers making money, and i have made a decent amount myself here and there from sales in the mall. but i have never made any false claims about the items i have sold, and if i did and it was brought to my attention i would certainly have corrected myself rather than making myself out to be the victim as you have tried to do.
post #49 of 134
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Originally Posted by nique27 View Post
Yet, I have a valid point and I was making a suggestion on HM policy. My suggestion was made personal by Jskidmark who called my sale out. Apparently, he and others still find it so impossible to believe I didnt know 71J's were not out of stock. I guess i should not have better things to do with my time...
if you have such better things to do with your time, then do them and quit bitching about selling in hm.

if you like AF better, sell at AF.

if it's acceptable to lie to make your stuff sell better on ebay, sell on ebay.

You don't have a leg to stand on right now.
post #50 of 134
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Originally Posted by Egotist View Post
I was going to type a well thought out message but I'm too lazy for that. Instead I'll just say this,

YOU ARE A FUCKING DOUCHE BAG!

Love,
Tommy
i heart you too haha...

take it like a man dood... ur a guy... guys are more blunt than girls... ... i've seen much worse threadcrappin than that and the OPS seem to have takn it lightly. Even though it was inappropriate for whomever to mention that in the thread, yuo could have resolved it in a mature manner (PM ask them to edit their post... since u dont WANT it on yur thread...end of story!




PS. Im a bitch but you seem to do more bitching than me! RAWR!
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