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Why would anyone use Isopure or ON 100% whey when there's Eclipse 2000 whey isolate?

post #1 of 24
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Okay, I was just doing a bunch of research, and amidst all the advertising claims that every brand is the best, I think I've come to the conclusion that there is a general consensus that ON (Optimum Nutrition) 100% Whey Protein is the best for regular whey and Designer Whey is the best tasting decent regular whey. For whey isolate, Isopure also seems to be the most popular.

Now...

Isopure Zero Carb whey isolate 3 lb ($35.79)
Bodybuilding.com - Nature's Best Zero Carb Isopure - 100% Pure Ion Exchange Whey Protein Isolate! On sale now!
50 grams of protein per 62 gram serving (0.81 grams of protein per serving gram)
$1.63 per serving (3.3 cents per gram of WPI)

ON 100% whey blend 5lb ($34.99)
Bodybuilding.com - Optimum 100% Whey Protein - With Faster-Acting HYDROWHEY! On sale now!
24 grams of protein per 32 gram serving (0.75 grams of protein per serving gram)
$0.47 per serving (2.0 cents per gram of WPB)

Eclipse 2000 Deluxe whey isolate 2 lb ($20.99)
Bodybuilding.com - Eclipse 2000 Deluxe Whey Isolate - New And Improved Taste! On sale now!
20 grams of protein per 23 gram serving (0.87 grams of protein per serving gram)
$0.54 per serving (2.7 cents per gram of WPI)

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1. Why would anyone buy Isopure over Eclipse 2000 Deluxe when the latter is both cheaper and has more protein per gram?

2. Why would anyone buy ON over Eclipse 2000 Deluxe when the latter is only 35% pricier for the benefits of whey isolate?

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P.S. IDS's whey isolate is even cheaper, but I did some searching and IDS's track record apparently isn't so great.

P.P.S. I learned a lot about the basics of whey here: Whey Protein Concentrates, Isolates, and Ion Exchanged Isolates...
post #2 of 24
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Oh, and for those of you lactose intolerant, like me, here are the ingredients for ON's whey:

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Protein Blend(Whey Protein Isolate, Whey Protein Concentrate, Whey Peptides), Cocoa(Processed With Alkali), Natural And Artificial Flavor, Lecithin, Creamer(Sunflower Oil, Maltodextrin, Modified Food Starch, Di-Potassium Phosphate, Tri-Calcium Phosphate, Tocopherols), Salt, Acesulfame Potassium, Aminogen®, Sucralose, Lactase
For those of you unfamiliar with the way how ingredients are listed, they are always listed in order of greatest to lowest in amount. So unlike other WPBs (whey protein blends), ON's WPB is mostly isolate! There's also lactase thrown in there to help us poor lactose intolerant peeps haha! I can see why so many people praise ON now.
post #3 of 24
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Just realized some totally bad math on my part, so I edited my post. In fact, my math was so bad that it totally changed my questions too lol. OP edited.
post #4 of 24
The differences are probably miniscule unless you are an elite bodybuilder.

Can't talk anymore, my head has exploded.

I'm not being a smartass, I really think you can go with what taste decent and doesn't screw up your stomach.
post #5 of 24
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I don't know if you know this, but there's an overwhelming consensus that ON is the best regular whey and Isopure is the best whey isolate. That makes me wonder if there is a good reason why people aren't going with Eclipse 2000 Deluxe when it's a LOT cheaper than Isopure and only a little more expensive than ON. I really don't think this research is neglible even to just the average consumer and gym goer, but I can see how it can look that way with just a cursory glance. A little bit of research goes a long way, begret. Especially knowing how there are a lot of shady companies in the supplement industry that love to capitalize on uninformed, too-trusting buyers.

So yeah, all I really want to know is if there is a good reason why people aren't buying Eclipse 2000 Deluxe. If not, I'm just gonna buy that brand.
post #6 of 24
You're talking to the protein queen. And yes, there is a mob mentality in the 'supplement' business. Which I don't follow, I'm sure you could've figured that out

Flavor of the month... it's like someone buying the same shoes that so and so runs in... I remember when the protein craze was happening and Designer Whey was all the rage ... but one good thing is all this shit tastes' whey' better than it did 10-15 years ago, and digests better too!
post #7 of 24
Oh crap, forgot to mention that I bought the eclipse 2000 last two times, this batch I have is EAS whey, eh, it doesn't taste as good as the eclipse 2000.

I've had Isopure, but not in a while. Maybe the 'zero carb ' thing draws people to it as it's printed on the label in large letters??
post #8 of 24
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begret, how was the Eclipse 2000 when you tried it?

Also, I forgot another protein that I was considering, as it was recommended in the Whey Protein Concentrates, Isolates, and Ion Exchanged Isolates... link...

Bodybuilding.com - Biochem 100% Whey Protein - Only 4g Of Carbs! On sale now!

Have you ever tried BioChem as well? According to that link, it is whey isolate, but with the subfractions that other whey isolate is missing.
post #9 of 24
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Originally Posted by not_a_virus.exe View Post
begret, how was the Eclipse 2000 when you tried it?

Also, I forgot another protein that I was considering, as it was recommended in the Whey Protein Concentrates, Isolates, and Ion Exchanged Isolates... link...

Bodybuilding.com - Biochem 100% Whey Protein - Only 4g Of Carbs! On sale now!

Have you ever tried BioChem as well? According to that link, it is whey isolate, but with the subfractions that other whey isolate is missing.
I prefer the Eclipse 2000, it seems to 'mix' better. I just was stuck w/o and I use it every day, so I bought the EAS. No, I haven't used the Biochem, I'm sure I've ingested it I could be a giunea pig and try it as I am almost out of the EAS (which is whey/ not whey isolate. I'll go look at the link now. Brb.
post #10 of 24
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Also, you know what's funny (well, to the readers, but not for me)?

No joke, I sincerely absolutely DREAD (NOT an exaggeration) drinking whey protein shakes. Just simply thinking about it and recollecting the taste makes me cringe. That's how bad it is for me. And with the Champion Nutrition whey just recently suddenly out of the blue giving me bad stomach problems when it never had in the past, that was enough for me to halt everything. The only protein I've ever had that didn't make me cringe was Cytosport's Muscle Milk, but that isn't really whey, not to mention it's hella expensive at a hilarious 5.22 cents per gram of protein (and an even more hilarious 0.42 grams of protein per serving gram...no wonder it tastes so damn good...the other 0.58 grams per serving gram is fat lol! EDIT: that makes it OVER 50% of what you're drinking not protein and presumably fat lmao).
post #11 of 24
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Originally Posted by begret View Post
I prefer the Eclipse 2000, it seems to 'mix' better. I just was stuck w/o and I use it every day, so I bought the EAS. No, I haven't used the Biochem, I'm sure I've ingested it I could be a giunea pig and try it as I am almost out of the EAS (which is whey/ not whey isolate. I'll go look at the link now. Brb.
Ha, thanks for the kind gesture, but I'm in hurry to get a protein ASAP...been out of the gym for weeks now.
post #12 of 24
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Ha, thanks for the kind gesture, but I'm in hurry to get a protein ASAP...been out of the gym for weeks now.
That sucks, the Champion I recall tasting really good
post #13 of 24
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Originally Posted by begret View Post
That sucks, the Champion I recall tasting really good
yeah, EVERYBODY over at abcbodybuilding.com is ALWAYS talking about how incredible it tastes, especially the banana cream flavor. well, i didn't think an entire forum population could be in on a joke (or are company reps), and i didn't think a CHRISTIAN website would be deliberately deceitful, but the bottomline is that while it is TRUE that Champion Nutrition's banana cream flavor whey does indeed taste better than ON's and GNC's whey (yes, i've tried ON many many years ago when it wasn't the Gold Standard and had less whey isolate in its bland...also, GNC's whey legitimately tastes like HORSE SHIT, especially it's berry flavor, and i've tried all of their flavors), it still tastes like crap, but i guess i'm just unreasonably picky haha.



funny how just right next door at bodybuilding.com, nobody recommends Champion but everybody recommends ON lol.
post #14 of 24
Pick a couple, go by taste. You probably are picky! Something you have to use everyday, you should like. I look forward to mine! I'm horrible, sometimes I put a little heavy cream to fluff it up and get a little fat!!!



GNC is horseshit ...IMHO of course! It tastes nasty.
post #15 of 24
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Originally Posted by begret View Post
Pick a couple, go by taste. You probably are picky! Something you have to use everyday, you should like. I look forward to mine! I'm horrible, sometimes I put a little heavy cream to fluff it up and get a little fat!!!



GNC is horseshit ...IMHO of course! It tastes nasty.
i was hoping it would be that simple, but i can't help but notice the egregious differences between ON and Isopure...and those differences combined with the popularity differences are red flags rather than simply the effects of marketing, so i'm thinking it may not be that simple.

red flag = be very cautious. nothing is worse than being suckered by price.
post #16 of 24
It is nice you did all that math! As I said earlier, I've used Isopure, the price didn't deter me at all. I'm flexible, I can go with a couple. Although I have lost some weight lately... OMG I'm not getting enough calories!!! More shakes!!!
post #17 of 24
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Well, the math really isn't that hard if you know what to divide.

For example, if I now simply divide price per gram of protein with another product's, I'll get the percentage of how much more/less I'll be paying. Which, is really a lot MORE accurate comparison than the totally misleading different serving sizes and prices. I don't understand why (other than for competitive numbers) they can't come up with a standard serving size in the industry, but doing so (using my aforementioned formula) reveals that Eclipse 2000's whey isolate is ONLY 35% costlier than ON's regular whey, and Isopure is only 65% costlier. Isopure is still quite expensive, but now not AS expensive as one might have thought. However, you don't have to pay much more just for the more significantly greater benefits of whey isolate if you go with Eclipse 2000. That is, of course, assuming there aren't really any red flags to worry about.
post #18 of 24
I only buy this stuff when it's on sale...then I buy enough to last 3-4 mos...by that time it's always on sale again.
I just got a circular from GNC

Isopure zero carb 3lbs reg $56.99 sale $27.99 less 205 off coupon in booklet $22.40


ON !00% Whey Gold 5lbs. reg $49.99 sale $31.99 less 20% off coupon in booklet $25.60

I have used ON for years.......I actually like the taste...vanilla, chocolate, cookies & cream, rocky road

I recently wanted to try Isopure. The taste is OK (vanilla) but not as good as ON

Keep in mind that the suggested serving size for Isopure = 2 scoops =50gms protein and the suggested serving size for ON is 1 scoop =25 gms protein (same scoop size) ...so actually they both offer the same amount of protein /serving


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post #19 of 24
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sup sonicvoodoo!

heh, i actually do most of my research on bodybuilding.com. i was actually just given another recommendation...NOW whey isolate...cheaper than Eclipse, reputable brand, and the isolate is micro-filtered instead of ion exchanged! sounds like a great great awesome deal! i just now have to research that the quality is just as good as isopure. they also suggested i-pro, but i didn't find the brand anywhere in the store, so i'm researching that too.

ditto on the different serving sizes. that's why i calculated it down to price per gram of protein for a truly accurate, non-misleading comparison.



NOW whey isolate 5 lb ($39.79)
Bodybuilding.com - NOW Whey Protein Isolate - Mixes Instantly! On sale now!
50 grams of protein per 62 gram serving (0.81 grams of protein per serving gram)
$1.11 per serving (2.2 cents per gram of WPI)
post #20 of 24
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Check this out, sonicvoodoo!


Giant I-Pro whey isolate 2 lb ($14.99)
Giant Nutrition .:. Cast a shadow across the face of sports nutrition
23 grams of protein per 27.5 gram serving (0.84 grams of protein per serving gram)
$0.42 per serving (1.8 cents per gram of WPI)

It's also micro-filtered isolate!

post #21 of 24
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the overwhelming majority at bodybuilding.com say that orange cream is by far the best flavor.

post #22 of 24
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okay, now i'm getting real excited and giddy. apparently, a lot of people there also say that this whey protein is the closest tasting to muscle milk, and anyone who's ever tried peanut butter chocolate muscle milk knows that it's SEX ON THE TONGUE. hey, might as well just call it oral sex then.

just ordered a tub of orange cream and green apple. in my experience, fruit flavored whey has always tasted like ass, so here's to my spontaneity!
post #23 of 24
No vanilla I always feel like vanilla, and I'll add 4-5 cherries or strawberries to it just the teeniest amt. for flavor. I'm glad I was reading this as I ordered more Eclipse.. this AM I made a big old shake, and then knocked it over!!!!!!! I almost cried as I have about 4/5 more days of powder left!!! I hope I make it.

Report on the green apple, my husband might like that.
Orange cream sound like a 50/50 ice cream bar!!!

Now get crackin and work out HARD that is the most important part
post #24 of 24
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Originally Posted by not_a_virus.exe View Post
yeah, EVERYBODY over at abcbodybuilding.com is ALWAYS talking about how incredible it tastes, especially the banana cream flavor. well, i didn't think an entire forum population could be in on a joke (or are company reps), and i didn't think a CHRISTIAN website would be deliberately deceitful, but the bottomline is that while it is TRUE that Champion Nutrition's banana cream flavor whey does indeed taste better than ON's and GNC's whey (yes, i've tried ON many many years ago when it wasn't the Gold Standard and had less whey isolate in its bland...also, GNC's whey legitimately tastes like HORSE SHIT, especially it's berry flavor, and i've tried all of their flavors), it still tastes like crap, but i guess i'm just unreasonably picky haha.



funny how just right next door at bodybuilding.com, nobody recommends Champion but everybody recommends ON lol.
The old ON Whey Classic was total garbage, mixed like crap, tasted gross and had more whey concentrate than isolate or hydrolyzed peptides. I would have never touched it back then.

They did a REALLY good job though when they came out with the ON whey gold though. Very high quality product for a really decent price, guess that's why it won supplement of the year for a couple years now
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