Originally Posted by kenics
my humble apologies, I thought you were being facetious with me
I think a lot of stories are cleverly told, not all the facts given to us. You can hardly believe our news or political campaigns because they never tell you the whole story. We shouldn't vote for Mr. Smith because he voted down 'funding for abandaned babies', but don't tell you there was several attachments to the bill for anything from spray painting every building pink, or breeding red colored grass. (this is example only of course, I hope)
You are right, in that we never know the whole story, again I agree. On this story, from friends and college instructors, this story does not surprise me. I would be surprised if it was completely fabricated.
There is a story out of Tulsa OK right now, where a mob of people attacked the local police while they were negotiating with a man holed up in an evacuated apartment building, who happend to be accused of murder. The MOB threw rocks and SHOT at the police. That is literally all that is being reported. I want to know who made up that mob, why were they against the police, were they trying to protect the man accused of murder, what part of town was it in. How often are police blatantly attacked for doing their job? I am just impressed they didn't shoot back. ( I know Tulsa fairly well, and have a really good idea what part of town this happened in.)
My point was no matter what media outlet, we have to ask questions and try to get the perspective in every story. There are just some perspectives I tend to trust sooner than others.
that all sounds very sensible to me as well. but that report you posted...i mean, i'm sure the U.S. government have done really horrific things if you do a little digging. now imagine if some middle eastern country were to find one of these stories (and there are some pretty horrific things our government has done, e.g. performing secret medical experiments on citizens which ruined their health, etc...usually stuff that is really easy to spin into a story of how hypocritical our government is by trying to come off as a benevolent country) and singles it out and presents it the way fox just did, the message is implicit yet clear.
total tangent, but i've stopped caring so much about the "merits" and "criticisms" of presidential candidates. the whole game is more about who can attack the other better. so when i vote, i just hope that i can make an accurate enough character judgment based on whatever carefully constructed news presence i see. however, i think it's unlikely that most candidates don't actually have at least some sense of genuine benevolence and desire to lead this country positively. but i also don't believe that countries become powerful by being benevolent. every action and speech has a motive, and it's allowed to pass through the public domain under the guise of benevolence.
edit: i agree...the U.S. is far from perfect, but it's indeed one of the best places to live in.