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post #51 of 307
The irony here is positively stifling.

To live in the greatest country in the world and nit pick every little fault when others, without remorse and with utter malice, murder others for not being subjugated, is simply wrong.

Iran is a closed totalitarian dictatorship that murders people who don't kneel down in front of their self-selected masters. America is a republic with a representative government, personal freedom and an open economy. What is there to not understand?

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begret, what does я жить ездить и ездить я жить translate to? My Russkie is a little rusty
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post #52 of 307
Islam is a cancer on the earth. So is/was Catholic Christianity. "Islam is better than Christianity" is like saying that Hitler killed less people than Stalin. Yes, it's true, but he's still Hitler.
post #53 of 307
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my humble apologies, I thought you were being facetious with me



I think a lot of stories are cleverly told, not all the facts given to us. You can hardly believe our news or political campaigns because they never tell you the whole story. We shouldn't vote for Mr. Smith because he voted down 'funding for abandaned babies', but don't tell you there was several attachments to the bill for anything from spray painting every building pink, or breeding red colored grass. (this is example only of course, I hope)

You are right, in that we never know the whole story, again I agree. On this story, from friends and college instructors, this story does not surprise me. I would be surprised if it was completely fabricated.

There is a story out of Tulsa OK right now, where a mob of people attacked the local police while they were negotiating with a man holed up in an evacuated apartment building, who happend to be accused of murder. The MOB threw rocks and SHOT at the police. That is literally all that is being reported. I want to know who made up that mob, why were they against the police, were they trying to protect the man accused of murder, what part of town was it in. How often are police blatantly attacked for doing their job? I am just impressed they didn't shoot back. ( I know Tulsa fairly well, and have a really good idea what part of town this happened in.)

My point was no matter what media outlet, we have to ask questions and try to get the perspective in every story. There are just some perspectives I tend to trust sooner than others.
that all sounds very sensible to me as well. but that report you posted...i mean, i'm sure the U.S. government have done really horrific things if you do a little digging. now imagine if some middle eastern country were to find one of these stories (and there are some pretty horrific things our government has done, e.g. performing secret medical experiments on citizens which ruined their health, etc...usually stuff that is really easy to spin into a story of how hypocritical our government is by trying to come off as a benevolent country) and singles it out and presents it the way fox just did, the message is implicit yet clear.

total tangent, but i've stopped caring so much about the "merits" and "criticisms" of presidential candidates. the whole game is more about who can attack the other better. so when i vote, i just hope that i can make an accurate enough character judgment based on whatever carefully constructed news presence i see. however, i think it's unlikely that most candidates don't actually have at least some sense of genuine benevolence and desire to lead this country positively. but i also don't believe that countries become powerful by being benevolent. every action and speech has a motive, and it's allowed to pass through the public domain under the guise of benevolence.



edit: i agree...the U.S. is far from perfect, but it's indeed one of the best places to live in.
post #54 of 307
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Originally Posted by maxim View Post
The irony here is positively stifling.

To live in the greatest country in the world and nit pick every little fault when others, without remorse and with utter malice, murder others for not being subjugated, is simply wrong.

Iran is a closed totalitarian dictatorship that murders people who don't kneel down in front of their self-selected masters. America is a republic with a representative government, personal freedom and an open economy. What is there to not understand?

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begret, what does ? ???? ?????? ? ?????? ? ???? translate to? My Russkie is a little rusty
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The irony is that this is probably the most ethnocentric post in this entire dicussion.
post #55 of 307
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Originally Posted by not_a_virus.exe View Post
performing secret medical experiments on citizens which ruined their health
It wasn't just "ruining their health", it was purposefully infecting poor blacks with syphilis.

I never said the USA was perfect. I'm the first one to criticize our anti-freedom government.
post #56 of 307
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The irony is that this is probably the most ethnocentric post in this entire dicussion.
So what? It is not a bad thing to like one's country or think it is the best country in the world. It's an old tired meme to say love it or leave it, but I'm sure you wouldn't like to live in a Stone Age hell hole like Iran where the OP's story happens or Saudi Arabia where a girls' school caught on fire, and the religious police forced the young girls to stay inside and burn to death because they were not wearing the proper head covering.
post #57 of 307
Too much media. Period. My husband and I try to keep an open mind and watch and read varied sources, all from different perspectives. Sometimes it's so f&^%ing exhausting we just give up for a week or so.
post #58 of 307
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It wasn't just "ruining their health", it was purposefully infecting poor blacks with syphilis.

I never said the USA was perfect. I'm the first one to criticize our anti-freedom government.
I'm a tad rusty on this, but didn't only 6 survive?
post #59 of 307
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Originally Posted by maxim View Post
The irony here is positively stifling.

To live in the greatest country in the world and nit pick every little fault when others, without remorse and with utter malice, murder others for not being subjugated, is simply wrong.

Iran is a closed totalitarian dictatorship that murders people who don't kneel down in front of their self-selected masters. America is a republic with a representative government, personal freedom and an open economy. What is there to not understand?

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begret, what does я жить ездить и ездить я жить translate to? My Russkie is a little rusty
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i think the point is that not everyone agrees that that report is a good example of why we know all of your above post is true. you may be 100% correct, 90% correct, or 50% correct in your above claims, but again, the issue here is how do you know this?

and just to PRE-EMPTIVELY address everyone who's going to quickly presume i'm a hippie, again, i do think the iranian government sucks major donkey balls.
post #60 of 307
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The irony is that this is probably the most ethnocentric post in this entire dicussion.
So? Not all cultures are equal, unlike what you may hear otherwise. Millenia of history will not be erased because some people find it icky to talk about that.

In two and a half centuries we've accomplished more then any other civilization could before us. Its not been an easy time, but thats why we are here today at the level we are at. Because it was hard, and people stood up to the challenge.
post #61 of 307
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I'm a tad rusty on this, but didn't only 6 survive?
74 survived. 8 were still alive for the government's formal apology in the 90s if you are thinking of that. 128 died, 40 wives infected, and 18 kids born with syphilis.
post #62 of 307
Oh maxim, it says
I live to ride I ride to live seems silly amongst this discussion, but there it is.
post #63 of 307
not_a_virus.exe, yes that is a valid point if that particular piece was taken as a single entity in a vacuum. Unfortunately, there is a significant precedent prior to this.
post #64 of 307
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So what? It is not a bad thing to like one's country or think it is the best country in the world. It's an old tired meme to say love it or leave it, but I'm sure you wouldn't like to live in a Stone Age hell hole like Iran where the OP's story happens or Saudi Arabia where a girls' school caught on fire, and the religious police forced the young girls to stay inside and burn to death because they were not wearing the proper head covering.
It seems that one can only state the opinion that they live in the greatest country in the world only if they are not from The US. The title of the thread seems to have pissed a bunch of people off.
post #65 of 307
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74 survived. 8 were still alive for the government's formal apology in the 90s if you are thinking of that. 128 died, 40 wives infected, and 18 kids born with syphilis.
It's the 8 that I'm thinking about, thanks. I remember reading an article about it a while ago.
post #66 of 307
i consider myself a realist.

i don't love america in an affectionate kind of way, but i do love america in a 110% pragmatic/practical/utilitarian kind of way.

if that makes any sense.

also, i fucking hate america for not having a law that supports the existence of unicorns. unicorns are real and they rock!!!

here's a BBC documentary on unicorns:
post #67 of 307
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Originally Posted by sultrysiren View Post
It seems that one can only state the opinion that they live in the greatest country in the world only if they are not from The US. The title of the thread seems to have pissed a bunch of people off.
Exactly. If it was "Thank God I live in Australia" or "Thank God I live in Canada", no one would have cared. Even as a political point, if someone posted a link to a rags-to-riches story on Fox News and said "Thank God I live in America" and extolled capitalism, he would catch hell. If it was a story about socialized medicine in Canada and that was posted, we'd have a nice America-bashing session going.

America forever.
post #68 of 307
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It's the 8 that I'm thinking about, thanks. I remember reading an article about it a while ago.
Yeah. I'm not going to say America is perfect. We've done awful things to our own citizens. We've also made very poor foreign policy decisions. However, in 2007, there is nothing in America you can compare with what is going on in some parts of Pakistan, in Iran, in Saudi Arabia, and in other totalitarian states.
post #69 of 307
There are literally trillions of dollars in federal research money.
You can try applying for a grant to breed some unicorns. You see, you shouldn't blame others for the lack of unicorns. Every possibility for you to try and breed some exists, and the government will even fund it for you.

Thats what makes it this country so great.
post #70 of 307
CHARLIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Yeah virus, sometimes I remember what my grandparents went through to get here.
But sometimes, I'm so horrible... I'm just glad there's a Starbuck's on every corner in case I need one.



Oh, and every time we go to the Sierras or Mammoth, which is a lot, we pass Manzanar 'relocation facility' sitting out there in the open desert.
So sure, no place is perfect
post #71 of 307
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Originally Posted by maxim View Post
not_a_virus.exe, yes that is a valid point if that particular piece was taken as a single entity in a vacuum. Unfortunately, there is a significant precedent prior to this.
and good sir, what would this prior significant precedent be?
post #72 of 307
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Originally Posted by not_a_virus.exe View Post
and good sir, what would this prior significant precedent be?
The Iranian government's significant disregard of human rights and willingness to persecute anyone who they perceive as un-Islamic, such as Jews, Baha'i, homosexuals, and adulterers.
post #73 of 307
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Originally Posted by maxim View Post
There are literally trillions of dollars in federal research money.
You can try applying for a grant to breed some unicorns. You see, you shouldn't blame others for the lack of unicorns. Every possibility for you to try and breed some exists, and the government will even fund it for you.

Thats what makes it this country so great.
ah, but you fail to recognize the possibility of a...conspiracy. we all know how much everyone loves unicorns, yet given the government's SUPPOSED willingness to assist in unicornucopia (the study of all things unicorn and unicorn-related), how come we haven't even seen a slight glimmer of unicorn media? obviously, our nation is deeply involved in the Neo-Zionist Anti-Unicorn Agenda.
post #74 of 307
Are you serious, I don't even know where to start there is so much.................

1979 revolution
The Islamisation afterwards, killing of dissedents, repatriazation (i.e outright theft) of property
Hell, just look at their government structure.
Iran-Iraq war
The mass executions of pro-democracy/reformers in the late 1980s
Support for terrorists (Hezb-allah is a proxy army of Iran in Lebanon).
Salman Rushdie
Most of the relief aid supplied for the Kom earthquake wound up being sold by the politically connected class of the mullah's for personal gain.
Attacks on the US in Lebanon in 1979, 1984 and (quite possibly) the Khobar towers in 1994.
I could go on and on.
post #75 of 307
What would be the ethical dilemma in breeding a unicorn? I mean seriously, have you ever seen a horse go to the bathroom in the street? Imagine that hitting your car!

Maybe your grant applications need some more work, NSF award rate is only like 10%.
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