Thank God I live in America - Page 11

mgoose: It could be our world if we tried.

SouthernBelle: "God's country" meaning the CSA?

This was so incredibly well-thought out! I had so much to say when I read the OP, but you said it all!!

Well it is non fiction, but it makes you think and that's all it really needs to do, one way or another.

Incorrect statement mate, what you believe or care to believe doesn't make it factual.

Just because your family no longer resides there doesn't mean you can such a sweeping ignorant statement.

Cutup - Thank you for your dissertation and since you are well versed with the Shari'a, can you enlighten us on what evidence has to be provided before someone is found guilty of adultery? Since you won't find it on google, let me inform you. The persons should be caught IN the act by three different people. Odd you may think, but it ensures that baseless accussations are not made and it doesnt end there, the law goes into further detail and depth to protect people from being framed etc. This rule of the Shari'a is not applied in present day when sentencing people and thus is not Islamically correct.
O.T - Ever laid thought on the benefit of such a stringent law on adultery?

As far as women go, obviously things such as women who voted, owned property, conducted business, sought education and there being women scholars who taught hundreds of men 1400 years ago have evaded you. What you see or hear of in respect to the roles/treatment of women in the news is more cultural and far from the teachings of the Qu'ran but the media sensationalizes it and doesn't divulge the whole story or circumstances behind the story. Most of the time, the news is from a village that follows tribal laws and is not the general consensus among Muslims.

Since you mentioned the Shari'a let me point out a law which is clearly flaunted by countries which claim to follow Islamic rule and which the media never higlights. All income made from natural resources (oil, natural gas etc) is to be distributed within the public, when this rule was last followed, there was not a single hungry person in the region.

In short, there is not a single country that completely follows the Shari'a, they have added things in accordance to their culture.

While on the subject of media, let me share something with you that I have first hand knowledge about. Youth in Ira'q are saying things such as "I never knew I was Shi'a or Sunni until the American media began to draw such a fine line." Lawrence of Arabia all over again.

Peter you are a good guy and I admire you for helping out many people here but in the future please refrain from spewing out your opinions on something which you have pseudo knowledge.

To the original poster of the thread, in your opinion generalizing a whole region and people based on a story or stories that you might read from one or two sources and making a brilliant opinion on it (in public nonetheless) goes to show, what is perpetuated in the American media is perpetuated by the American public. Ever wonder why most Europeans think so poorly of Americans?

It is always interesting/amusing to read peoples opinions on a region where they have never been to or personally interacted with numerous people (of different social and religious backgrounds) from that region or clearly understand everything that happens behind their telly. Clearly you can learn about the world in a two minute 'Live' broadcast.

This topic has been beaten to death here in the past and surprising to see a MOD starting a thread that breaks rule number seize.

It is high time the NFJ clause from the infractions rule be amended and instead of dishing out infractions to nfj et al perhaps some housecleaning is in order

D'accord

^^ +1

always good to hear the other side of the story. i always feel that it's way too premature to make any kind of strong judgment calls without knowing more of the story.

That was probably more effective than a posting of a cat pic.

Thanks.

I was actually waiting for vagabond to come in and define sharia as eloquently as he did without emotions unlike me

You rock, vagabond. Very articulate. The bottom line is that culture has taken over religion in every country which is populated by Muslims; I don't call them Muslim countries because they aren't.

People are going to believe what they want to believe, and that is what suits them. Period. The truth can beat them in the face and they still won't change their minds.

True not all are Muslim countries but some are Islamic Republics. Iran, Afghanistan and Pakistan are the only ones that I can think of. I remember when women were being stoned to death in Afghanistan in the area built for the Olympics.

No God's Country to me will always be the state (present day) of
SOUTH CAROLINA..

american by birth southern by the grace of god.. WOO HOO

and I think this is a great time if there ever was one for some good ole' I Live to Ride I Ride to Live

LOL
Yeah, I'm out too.

ahh begret , I know we are beating a dead horse and not to totally be Off topic in this thread but what the hell I won;t be the first

that just reminded me of some good ole fashion cow tipping in my youth

and with that I am out too not that I have had much to contribute

Simply because a country calls itself an Islamic Republic does not make it so. The countries you mentioned can call themselves whatever they want. They are NOT Islamic countries.

^ True, quite true.

What is the benefit of such a stringent law on adultery? Do men also get stoned to death for cheating on their wives?

Since i have lived in Pakistan I can assure you there is nothing Islamic about it.

ITA; I have tons of family there (as well as DH). Totally agree. The corruption itself is enough to ruin the country.

Thanks for the info vagabond, I obviously meant no disrespect and I never claimed to be well versed in all things muslim, I only told people to do a search themselves and see what they find.

I was given my info from freinds who are Iraqi and who follow muslim teachings, mind you I know there are many different sects and tribes.

They and their mother, are scared to death to have sharia law enacted here, as there was a big debate from the muslim community a few years back about allowing it to be used here ( in Canada) and to have it be legaly binding. There is intense pressure from the family for the women to do whatever the mans says regardless of what is done to her or the kids.

Every freind of mine who has been muslim ( and come from a predominatly muslim country) says the same thing, the laws in their country are unjust BIG TIME towards women, and the penalties are extremely harsh, and many of these same penalties do not apply to the men. And that the majority of the courts are easily susceptable to bribary and corruption.

To put this in perspective, the father came to canada after the mother fleed from him. She got back with him due to intense pressure from her family( no money and no help), she has since been put in the hospital twice, and I have seen my friend and his sister with black eyes from his beatings.

The culture will usualy make the family turn their backs on the women and children if they do not follow the mans instructions. She called the cops on him , and when he was waiting in jail the family refused to even talk to her on the phone, and said they never wanted to see her or the kids ever again as she " disgraced" her name.

Its hard to follow a set of laws based entirely on peoples perceptions of one book. You can see how many differant tribes/groups constantly fight ( many times to the death) all saying that there interpitations of the quran are the correct ones. Just look at the infighting between the Suni and the Shi-ite muslims.

For example, when the prophet Mohammed was shown in a dutch cartoon, many of the top muslim clerics called for the cartoonist to be killed, the dutch embassy was burned down in the process.

Meanwhile the exact translation in the quran ( by an islamic expert on an arab news station) states it is only against islam if a CURRENT member of the religion makes a drawing of the prophet Mohammed, there are no rules saying a non believer cant draw the man.

So who's interpitation would be considered the right one? Its really anyones guess.

Ok Im through, I am with everyone else and will stop flogging the dead horse....

Most of my relatives still reside there, unfortunately. Considering the fact that I'm talking about the middle east as a whole (i.e. I'm not saying everyone in the middle east is evil), my comment, although sweeping, is far from ignorant. Ignorance is when people try to be politically correct about the middle east.

Allow me to share something with you that i have first hand knowledge about (since I am Iraqi). Saddam Hussein committed such horrendous atrocities against the shi'a because he knew that if he didn't, he'd be in the same shit hole that the US military is in right now. The whole shi'a vs sunni thing has been going on for centuries, basically since the death of mohamed. The only way to get any peace in the middle east is to oppress one or the other. And since we're on the topic of Iran, lets not forget who fuels hardcore shi'a fundamentalism.

Sorry to break it to you, but ignorance is when you blame the American media for an unresolved problem that is centuries old.

it's always good to hear it straight from the horse's mouth (but not from begret's dead ones). +1 for all the middle easterners suddenly coming out of the woodworks

Eesh please dont turn this into a sect argument but for your post lets not forget who backed Saddam Hussain while he was committing these attrocities.

Cutup:
Under Sharia law a man is not allowed to hit a woman at all. Period. Under Sharia law a man is completely responsible for his wife. She bears no responsibility at all including cooking, cleaning or even mopping.

I am not trying to defend anything and i agree with you completely but i see this every time i turn the show COPS on. Domestic violence is problem in every country and every religion.

The fighting is not between Shia and mainstream Sunnis but a offshoot branch known as Salafi or Wahhabis.

Look at India for an example, When was the last time you heard of Muslims fighting between themselves there?

well, india is 80%+ hindu

I also would really like to know what some benefits may be. Because while I try to be open minded to the differences of the world, the thought that such stringent laws on adultery may actually be beneficial, has honestly never crossed my mind. I mean this sincerely, if you really believe there are benefits, i would be interested to try and understand how someone can see it from that point of view.