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post #101 of 307
4/15/07 at 6:28pm
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Originally Posted by CUTUP View Post
Yup

Propeganda is massivley underrated in its effectiveness to create hate in people. I mean damn, look what happened to all of Germany during the start of the holocaust. And the swiftness of it was made possible with the use of propganda.

Jews are still likened to pigs and dogs in arabic school books for example, and the USA has been blamed for the downfall of morals and standards worldwide.

Kids are taught this from a very young age in lots of countries, its no wounder there is still so much hatred. Many people seem to forget how impressionable kids are, many have been trained to hate a particular race or creed since birth.

And when the government controls all television and media, your chances of getting an unbiased view are nil
And you think this happens it "other" countries only?
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post #102 of 307
4/15/07 at 6:31pm
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Originally Posted by loveswatching View Post
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Originally Posted by sultrysiren View Post
No other news agency could possibly be biased huh? Say it isnt so. They are all biased one way or another.
Do you seriously think that is a good defense for a popular media outlet? I seriously watch fox to amuse myself. I am ok with Reuters, free speech, npr and even BBC.
yeah, that's kinda like saying, "ma, all the other kids have already had sex, so i should too!"

that's actually a two-fold example that kills 2 birds with 1 stone:

1st bird: 2 same/different wrongs don't make a right
2nd bird: hyperbole makes for hilarious, effective highlighting

also, fox is a news network? this whole time, i thought it was an affiliate of comedy central???
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post #103 of 307
4/15/07 at 6:31pm
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Originally Posted by maxim View Post
Fox news biased? Ever seen the picture of the Hezb holding up a dead baby and all the Routers, AP and AL-J reporters snapping at it like hungry dogs?

No?

What about the staged photos from Iraq and Lebanon? They gave a pulitzer prize to a man who took a picture of the terrorists killing an election worker, I'm sure the photographer just happened to be there as a coincidence.
Yes i saw that pics, actually i saved it!!

What is biased about that? Personally i call that massacre and i am glad they snapped it eventhough AL-J is just as bad as Fox

Maxim it could be a coincidence or done to their message across. I am not exactly sure which pic you are referring to so i can make any comments in this case. Care to link me?
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post #104 of 307
4/15/07 at 6:35pm
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Originally Posted by sultrysiren View Post
No other news agency could possibly be biased huh? Say it isnt so. They are all biased one way or another.

thank you.. all media is biased in one way or another.. FOX, NBC, CNN and yes even the ever beloved and often thought (though incorrectly) to be unbiased BBC
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post #105 of 307
4/15/07 at 6:35pm
one thing i like about fox though is that it TECHNICALLY provides another perspective amidst all the other mainstream (and biased as well) media outlets.
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post #106 of 307
4/15/07 at 6:36pm
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Originally Posted by notfrostyjosh View Post
darn this thread almost makes me wish i was trolling honestforum.com instead of buying the necessary supplies for mai tais at the liquor store. sadly, although it looked nice out through the window its actually pretty cold out. oh well, entourage is on later.

are these mai tais for the previous photos of the tikki hut we have since heard nothing about...
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post #107 of 307
4/15/07 at 6:37pm
yeah, but i don't think anyone here ever claimed that fox is the only biased news outlet. in fact, i don't even see how that impression could be gathered. at least i never did.
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post #108 of 307
4/15/07 at 6:37pm
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Originally Posted by loveswatching View Post
And you think this happens it "other" countries only?


I made a statement about ALL PROPEGANDA and mentioned some prevelant examples, no where did I say it doesnt happen in the USA or Canada.


But there is no way that the propeganda isnt way worse in these dictatorships and military controled countries then compared to the USA.

I mean there are still places in Africa that say condom use is immoral and wont protect anyone from aids, and look at the government control with everything from the internet filtering, to putting activists and religious groups in jail or killing them ( Falun Gong members for example) in Korea and China.

There will always be biased reporting, its just a matter of how biased
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post #109 of 307
4/15/07 at 6:39pm
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Originally Posted by notfrostyjosh View Post
darn this thread almost makes me wish i was trolling honestforum.com instead of buying the necessary supplies for mai tais at the liquor store. sadly, although it looked nice out through the window its actually pretty cold out. oh well, entourage is on later.
nfj, then don't be shy and join the conversation! we even +1'ed your earlier post to encourage you!
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post #110 of 307
4/15/07 at 6:40pm
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Originally Posted by not_a_virus.exe View Post
nfj, then don't be shy and join the conversation! we even +1'ed your earlier post to encourage you!
We will all +1 you if you send some drinks our way via USPS
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post #111 of 307
4/15/07 at 6:41pm
it's all about perspective. i think it's safe to say that every nation, the U.S. included, is guilty of practically every crime, but surely some nations are more guilty of certain crimes than others.
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post #112 of 307
4/15/07 at 6:41pm
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Originally Posted by not_a_virus.exe View Post
ms. callire, if we are southernized, can we consider kazhakstan northernized (i'm not racist...i'm just basing my observations from the documentary, "borat")?
I haven't seen Borat. I know, I know, it's a crime, but school's been rough lately.

I'm not saying that we are southernized, I'm saying that in that time period (I'm blanking on the dates) the general flow of trade goods was from the South Asian countries to the West (in that time it was Europe). It slowly shifted with the invention of guns/gunpowder (and a great many other things, but I'm generalizing) so that European goods began flowing to South Asia (westernization).


What I'm saying is that the new trend will shift back to southernization.
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post #113 of 307
4/15/07 at 6:43pm
loveswatching, there is a whole pile of them. I can't (readily) find the one I was initially thinking of but it showed a Hez thug (who appereantly was seen orchestrating such things in prior engagements) pull a baby out of an ambulance and parade it like a piece of meat in front of waiting reporters. There was a video of that scene taken.

There were many other instances where the Hez orchestrated a media campaign. Hiding rockets in civilian areas, violating established rules of war and killing civilians was ok for the Hez. But god forbid Israel ( the only free country in the region) responds to defend itself against Iranians, then its murder.

Al-J is a propaganda arm of the Muslim Brotherhood. You may not like the slant of Fox News but they are not propagandists, there is a major difference.

I've been reading this guy's essays for the last two days, read this perhaps it will change your out look for the better.

Eject! Eject! Eject!
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post #114 of 307
4/15/07 at 6:44pm
loveswatching swears at me, calls Israel "USrael", and offers no facts, counter arguments, or anything worthwhile. Pretty typical, I guess. It's hard to argue that Iran's human rights record is actually awesome, so I'll give him time.
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post #115 of 307
4/15/07 at 6:45pm
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Originally Posted by callire View Post
I haven't seen Borat. I know, I know, it's a crime, but school's been rough lately.

I'm not saying that we are southernized, I'm saying that in that time period (I'm blanking on the dates) the general flow of trade goods was from the South Asian countries to the West (in that time it was Europe). It slowly shifted with the invention of guns/gunpowder (and a great many other things, but I'm generalizing) so that European goods began flowing to South Asia (westernization).


What I'm saying is that the new trend will shift back to southernization.
This happened during the crusades.
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post #116 of 307
4/15/07 at 6:46pm
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Originally Posted by CUTUP View Post
I made a statement about ALL PROPEGANDA and mentioned some prevelant examples, no where did I say it doesnt happen in the USA or Canada.


But there is no way that the propeganda isnt way worse in these dictatorships and military controled countries then compared to the USA.

I mean there are still places in Africa that say condom use is immoral and wont protect anyone from aids, and look at the government control with everything from the internet filtering, to putting activists and religious groups in jail or killing them ( Falun Gong members for example) in Korea and China.

There will always be biased reporting, its just a matter of how biased
I cant comment cause i personally havent seen it. I do know that every time they wanna get people riled against an arab nation they turn the movies like executive decision and the siege on fox repeating each other all day long.

Dude just google "most biased news" on google and read the first page of results.
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post #117 of 307
4/15/07 at 6:49pm
google, unlike what their ad department likes you to think, is not the final arbitrator of truth.
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post #118 of 307
4/15/07 at 6:49pm
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Originally Posted by loveswatching View Post
Dude just google "most biased news" on google and read the first page of results.
A very scientific approach.
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post #119 of 307
4/15/07 at 6:49pm
Google is going to take over the world.
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post #120 of 307
4/15/07 at 6:51pm
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Originally Posted by callire View Post
Google is going to take over the world.
OPEC is
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post #121 of 307
4/15/07 at 6:52pm
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Originally Posted by maxim View Post
google, unlike what their ad department likes you to think, is not the final arbitrator of truth.

AMEN
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post #122 of 307
4/15/07 at 6:53pm
i can't quite pinpoint what this thread is lacking yet, but i think it probably has something to do with eltonjohncat

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post #123 of 307
4/15/07 at 6:56pm
Grant reviewers generally like to see what prior work and qualification you have done in the related field. Perhaps, the showing of this headache cat as prior successes in art will allow your unicorn research grants to be considered with more weight?
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post #124 of 307
4/15/07 at 6:56pm
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Originally Posted by maxim View Post
loveswatching, there is a whole pile of them. I can't (readily) find the one I was initially thinking of but it showed a Hez thug (who appereantly was seen orchestrating such things in prior engagements) pull a baby out of an ambulance and parade it like a piece of meat in front of waiting reporters. There was a video of that scene taken.

There were many other instances where the Hez orchestrated a media campaign. Hiding rockets in civilian areas, violating established rules of war and killing civilians was ok for the Hez. But god forbid Israel ( the only free country in the region) responds to defend itself against Iranians, then its murder.

Al-J is a propaganda arm of the Muslim Brotherhood. You may not like the slant of Fox News but they are not propagandists, there is a major difference.

I've been reading this guy's essays for the last two days, read this perhaps it will change your out look for the better.

Eject! Eject! Eject!
ROFL i knew you were coming back with that garbage!

I had this argument a long time back and yes i have all those pics saved because i come across people like you quite often. Look up NGO and UN website to confirm that hizbollah had no artillery or rockets in civilian centers and if you dont find it then i will gladly look up my old posts to show some enlighting quotes

How many civilians did Hizbollah kill and how many did Israel kill? What about Qana2 massacres, What about all those testimony where civilians said they bombed indiscriminately, what about killing those farmers, what about those thousands of cluster bombs still sitting there armed taking children legs off everyday?

Dont even get me started on this and if you want too then lets start with open references from reputable sources.

btw nothing in Al-Jazeera supports you claims.

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loveswatching swears at me, calls Israel "USrael", and offers no facts, counter arguments, or anything worthwhile. Pretty typical, I guess. It's hard to argue that Iran's human rights record is actually awesome, so I'll give him time.
I call it USrael cause we provided those bombs that killed innocent people. Look up news where we admit that were are aware of cluster bombs but we wont punish Israel of dropping them off!! WTF!!

If you want to argue i respect that but dude i aint interested in your opinion i am interested in facts.
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post #125 of 307
4/15/07 at 6:56pm
I've often wondered what you do for a living NAV.
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