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post #76 of 308
3/28/07 at 11:25pm
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Originally Posted by Zeitgeist View Post
Why not just tell us? Would you fight for your country or a foreign one that happens to share the same religion?

It seems many American Jews have dual loyalties that put Israel above the United States. Perhaps when you look at groups like APAIC that's rather obvious.
I can't say whether I would fight on any given side (or at all) without knowing the circumstances of the war.
post #77 of 308
3/28/07 at 11:26pm
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I can't say whether I would fight on any given side (or at all) without knowing the circumstances of the war.
Nice cop-out. Most people wouldn't think of fighting for a foreign army.

Anyway, a mod should delete or lock this thread, it's strayed off topic to a penis contest between avatar and myself.
post #78 of 308
3/28/07 at 11:29pm
i'd back a canadian campaign on antarctica
post #79 of 308
3/28/07 at 11:30pm
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Anyway, a mod should delete or lock this thread, it's strayed off topic to a penis contest between avatar and myself.
has it? i dont think anyone else noticed.
post #80 of 308
3/28/07 at 11:31pm
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Nice cop-out. Most people wouldn't think of fighting for a foreign army.

Anyway, a mod should delete or lock this thread, it's strayed off topic to a penis contest between avatar and myself.
That's not a cop out. You're trying to smear me as being part of a Jewish conspiracy or something hilarious.
post #81 of 308
3/28/07 at 11:36pm
Yeah please lock this thread moderators. I've been trying to avoid this thread for the last little while and it's getting kinda weird and wacky. Not to mention I think I read somewhere in the rule that we are not suppose to get into any political dispute.
post #82 of 308
3/28/07 at 11:37pm
Aw, but I was having fun with Zeitgeist trying to proclaim I'm a subversive foreign agent in a Jewish conspiracy. /lol
post #83 of 308
3/28/07 at 11:38pm
I think it is really funny that the debate on the topic of the thread was fairly tame...it was just a random off-hand comparison that mushroomed out into the pissing contest we see here now.
post #84 of 308
3/28/07 at 11:49pm
Well in that case, keep on posting people. Say the nastiest thing you can before laurie or dave locks the thread.
post #85 of 308
3/29/07 at 12:12am
I actually agree with Avatar on this issue though. I am not Jewish but I support Israel. They have taken a barren piece of land in the desert and transformed it into a first world economy. Not to mention, their neighbors are all certifiably insane.
post #86 of 308
3/29/07 at 12:18am
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I actually agree with Avatar on this issue though. I am not Jewish but I support Israel. They have taken a barren piece of land in the desert and transformed it into a first world economy. Not to mention, their neighbors are all certifiably insane.
You are going to get a comment about your type from Fuhrer Zeitgeist over there.
post #87 of 308
3/29/07 at 12:18am
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I actually agree with Avatar on this issue though. I am not Jewish but I support Israel. They have taken a barren piece of land in the desert and transformed it into a first world economy. Not to mention, their neighbors are all certifiably insane.
That is an unbearably broad and ignorant statement.

Who exactly are you to certify sanity or a lack there of? Have you ever even spoken with anyone from any of the countries you are so freely lumping together. Do you know ANYTHING about them other than what you have seen on the very biased news coverage in this country.

*note, I am not taking a side on the issue that the boys have been arguing about. I am only challanging the statement by bigbuckst because I find it offensive.
post #88 of 308
3/29/07 at 12:20am
Many of their neighbors are insane and bent on Israel's destruction.
post #89 of 308
3/29/07 at 12:23am
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That is an unbearably broad and ignorant statement.

Who exactly are you to certify sanity or a lack there of? Have you ever even spoken with anyone from any of the countries you are so freely lumping together. Do you know ANYTHING about them other than what you have seen on the very biased news coverage in this country.

*note, I am not taking a side on the issue that the boys have been arguing about. I am only challanging the statement by bigbuckst because I find it offensive.
Well, by that I obviously do not mean every citizen of every country. What I suppose I mean are the likes of Iran's leader, Saddam Hussein (deceased), and every other country that doesn't recognize them as a real country. Obviously, I speak only of the leaders and the radical citizens of those countries. I truly believe that it's in the US's best interest to have an ally in the Middle East. You may not agree with this because it's not politically correct, but Israel in many ways is a gift to the USA.
post #90 of 308
3/29/07 at 12:24am
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Wonder where all the technology is going to come from them, China or Japan I guess.

Zeit, you answered your own question regarding immigration. The United States has to allow immigrants to come into this country or we risk losing our technological advantage. Other countries are educating their students in technology and science in grade school, while we are still craming history down our student's throats in college. All of the top students in my computer classes in college were Asian. Many were from what is referred to as "third world". Plain and simple, we need an intelligent legal immigration program. The system is slanted to bring in the most educated and many of our top corporations have programs to identify and lure some of the top minds across the globe. In many cases these people get some type of assistance. Directly or indirectly it comes from the U.S. tax payer. If a corporation pays to assist an immigrant, they write it off on their taxes. So what's the difference, really?
post #91 of 308
3/29/07 at 12:26am
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Originally Posted by barbie_az View Post
^^ So my family is an embarrassment because at one time we needed some help and I don't deserve to live here?

And excuse me, but the people who can't find a decent job to support a family aren't pathetic. It's the people who set the minimum wage at a amount so low it's hard to actually get by.

Exactly! It is honorable to use the system if necessary and then move out of the way so someone else can fall in the net. I'm sure Barb's Dad and others like him have more than made up for it with all of the taxes paid in their lifetime.
post #92 of 308
3/29/07 at 12:37am
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Originally Posted by BigBucksT View Post
Well, by that I obviously do not mean every citizen of every country. What I suppose I mean are the likes of Iran's leader, Saddam Hussein (deceased), and every other country that doesn't recognize them as a real country. Obviously, I speak only of the leaders and the radical citizens of those countries. I truly believe that it's in the US's best interest to have an ally in the Middle East. You may not agree with this because it's not politically correct, but Israel in many ways is a gift to the USA.
Okay...again, I don't really want to discuss right or wrong in terms of the creation of Israel...but please do remember that if not for the creation of that state, the terrorist threat percieved as coming from the Middle East would not exist.

Isreal isn't a gift to the USA, it is a creation OF the USA. Without US support it would not have been recognized as a nation.

But thank you for clarifying your original statement so that it is not such a broad and unfair generalization. It may seem mere political correctness, but the epistemic violence inherent in such generalizations is very dangerous and harmful.
post #93 of 308
3/29/07 at 12:48am
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That's not a cop out. You're trying to smear me as being part of a Jewish conspiracy or something hilarious.
Actually, I wanted to see if your blind support for Israel was because you were Jewish. Apparently, it seems to be (based on your own responses).

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I actually agree with Avatar on this issue though. I am not Jewish but I support Israel. They have taken a barren piece of land in the desert and transformed it into a first world economy. Not to mention, their neighbors are all certifiably insane.
They were actually handed a great deal of cash as well. Either way, does that justify their war crimes in Palestine?

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You may not agree with this because it's not politically correct, but Israel in many ways is a gift to the USA.
I agree. We need a first world country to hand billions to and then have them turn around and sell our military technology to China. A true friend indeed.
post #94 of 308
3/29/07 at 12:54am
Actually, the funny part is you insinuating that because I'm Jewish I'm an agent of a foreign government, that my type of people are willing to serve in a foreign army, that we hold Israel above the U.S., and that I'M NOT JEWISH, JACKASS.
post #95 of 308
3/29/07 at 1:21am
"Throw the jew down the well
so my country can be free
you must grab him by his money
then we'll have big party"
post #96 of 308
3/29/07 at 1:42am
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Originally Posted by MiztaMike View Post
"Throw the jew down the well
so my country can be free
you must grab him by his money
then we'll have big party"
One of them already tried to poison me. You can barely see her horns.
post #97 of 308
3/29/07 at 8:14am
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Originally Posted by casey60622 View Post
I am personally of the opinion that people who think it is super-dooper easy to get a decent job or an advanced degree (or any degree at all) should have to go work in the schools in areas of extreme poverty in the US. Then they might start to understand that generational poverty is not something that is overcome by simple willpower.

It is oh-so-easy to sit in a position of privilage and power because of relative wealth (I'm talking middle class here) and make judgements on poverty when the closest you have actually come to poverty is a Michelle Pfieffer movie.
well said casey!
post #98 of 308
3/29/07 at 8:27am
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Uh, that being said, someone does need to work at Wal-mart.
Such a good point! We as a society always look down upon those who have crappy jobs that pay minimum wage - the janitors, wal-mart (and other retail) associates, garbagemen, farm workers, etc... yet they are doing jobs that are essential! Problem is, we don't pay them enough and, though they're just as hard-working as any doctor or lawyer, they wind up without healthcare or sufficient means to provide for their families.

A rich kid who buys $200 jeans and goes to college because his parents pay for it has no business sitting here and criticizing those who are not so fortunate! That is judgemental and ignorant to the extreme.
post #99 of 308
3/29/07 at 8:44am
As for the whole Palestine/Israel discussion: Read "The Haj" by Leon Uris - kinda puts it all in perspective without really placing the blame on either Palestine or Israel.
post #100 of 308
3/29/07 at 8:47am
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Originally Posted by arriarri View Post
Such a good point! We as a society always look down upon those who have crappy jobs that pay minimum wage - the janitors, wal-mart (and other retail) associates, garbagemen, farm workers, etc... yet they are doing jobs that are essential! Problem is, we don't pay them enough and, though they're just as hard-working as any doctor or lawyer, they wind up without healthcare or sufficient means to provide for their families.

A rich kid who buys $200 jeans and goes to college because his parents pay for it has no business sitting here and criticizing those who are not so fortunate! That is judgemental and ignorant to the extreme.

^^ OMG... I think I love you...Great Post!
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