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post #51 of 308
I am personally of the opinion that people who think it is super-dooper easy to get a decent job or an advanced degree (or any degree at all) should have to go work in the schools in areas of extreme poverty in the US. Then they might start to understand that generational poverty is not something that is overcome by simple willpower.

It is oh-so-easy to sit in a position of privilage and power because of relative wealth (I'm talking middle class here) and make judgements on poverty when the closest you have actually come to poverty is a Michelle Pfieffer movie.
post #52 of 308
I agree to an extent, I feel that the money spent fighting wars for Israel would be put to better use in a war against Iran.
post #53 of 308
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I agree to an extent, I feel that the money spent fighting wars for Israel would be put to better use in a war against Iran.
How is Iran a threat to the United States? Have you checked what groups are the ones lobbying for war with Iran?
post #54 of 308
Truth is... someone's got to be poor ... society wouldn't really function if everyone got their way.

btw shouldn't really be posing a question about money on a forum about designer clothing.

and moving on ... to end on a lighter note

Christians & BDSM Home
post #55 of 308
Yeah, watch out 7Kid, it's the JOOOOOOOS is what Zeitgeist means.

I don't think we should give an obscene amount of money to any country - I don't hear you shrieking about the $2B we give Egypt each year.

P.S. Jimmy Carter's book is racist and a FRAUD. He's as honest as David Irving and Norman Finkelstein.
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I am personally of the opinion that people who think it is super-dooper easy to get a decent job or an advanced degree (or any degree at all) should have to go work in the schools in areas of extreme poverty in the US. Then they might start to understand that generational poverty is not something that is overcome by simple willpower.

It is oh-so-easy to sit in a position of privilage and power because of relative wealth (I'm talking middle class here) and make judgements on poverty when the closest you have actually come to poverty is a Michelle Pfieffer movie.

That's so well said and so true!!
post #57 of 308
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I don't think we should give an obscene amount of money to any country - I don't hear you shrieking about the $2B we give Egypt each year.
Yeah, except that Israel is a first world nation with a population of 5 million. Egypt has over 40 million people and is a third world country. Yet Israel is still #1.

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P.S. Jimmy Carter's book is racist and a FRAUD. He's as honest as David Irving and Norman Finkelstein.
How is Carter's book racist? Because he criticizes Israel? Would you call someone who criticizes Sweden a racist?

Please tell me how Carter's book is racist. And btw, Israel does practice apartheid in the West Bank. I doubt you'll respond much like you didn't above with the "racist" comment because I said we fight wars for Israel.

It's a common tactic by your type, deflect with insults and refuse to backup.
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How is Iran a threat to the United States? Have you checked what groups are the ones lobbying for war with Iran?
Iran is lead by some of the most insane islamo-fascist dictators in the world today and will not give up the process of enriching uranium. It's not just pro Israel groups (racist!) that are lobbying for an eventual war with Iran, many members of Neo/Paleoconservative factions aren't opposed to the possibility of a war either. Right now most people in politics still believe that diplomacy is the best course, yes, but this could change depending on what happens to the 15 soldiers captured.
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Iran is lead by some of the most insane islamo-fascist dictators in the world today and will not give up the process of enriching uranium.
Iran's president was democratically elected. Funny how we didn't hear about Iran until the war with Iraq was over. I guess we'll fight another war like Iraq for WMD. Funny, how neither are in the interest of the US.

So, who checks out India, Pakistan, or Israel's nuclear weapons? Who cares if Iran is enriching uranium.

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It's not just pro Israel groups (racist!) that are lobbying for an eventual war with Iran, many members of Neo/Paleoconservative factions aren't opposed to the possibility of a war either.
Neo-Conservatism and Paleconservatism are polar opposites. And I don't know any Paleocons lobbying for war with Iran. I see a certain select segment of neo-cons.

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Right now most people in politics still believe that diplomacy is the best course, yes, but this could change depending on what happens to the 15 soldiers captured.
Are you talking about the 15 British soldiers who were caught after boarding an Iranian ship themselves?
post #60 of 308
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Yeah, except that Israel is a first world nation with a population of 5 million. Egypt has over 40 million people and is a third world country. Yet Israel is still #1.
Israel's our ally and the only free country in a geographic cesspool and Egypt supports terrorist gangs like the Muslim Brotherhood.


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How is Carter's book racist? Because he criticizes Israel? Would you call someone who criticizes Sweden a racist?

Please tell me how Carter's book is racist. And btw, Israel does practice apartheid in the West Bank. I doubt you'll respond much like you didn't above with the "racist" comment because I said we fight wars for Israel.

It's a common tactic by your type, deflect with insults and refuse to backup.
I will retract my comment that Carter's book is racist. However, it misrepresents historical facts for political reasons, and compares the government of Israel to the former government of South Africa. Israel has been in a war for their existence since 1948 - it offered peace many times, and the terrorists in charge of the PLO/PA refused. If they accepted the British Mandate's partition, they'd have a WAY bigger state than they ever have had a dream of.

Oh, by the way, what's my type, Zeitgeist?
post #61 of 308
this is idiocy
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post #63 of 308
do people still actually believe college degree = wealth and prosperity? are we still living in the 70's? or just spending a bit too much time in the No Spin Zone?

oh yea as far as Iran.. bad idea. we're fast becoming the public enemy of the world. why make it any worse?
post #64 of 308
Iran with nuclear weapons starts WWIII. It's in our self interest that a terrorist state who openly supports war against the U.S. does not get them.
post #65 of 308
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I will retract my comment that Carter's book is racist. However, it misrepresents historical facts for political reasons, and compares the government of Israel to the former government of South Africa.
The word 'apartheid' is a proper term for what is happening in the West Bank. Even Bishop Desmond Tutu said Israel is practicing apartheid in the West Bank.

Israel already has a majority of the land, much bigger than the mandate. They need to give the Palestinians the state (their offers have refused to give them even water rights).

They withdrew 7,000 people from Gaza. However, in the West Bank they are building a huge wall to annex more land. Furthermore, Israel continues to build settlements in the West Bank and control a majority of the land. These settlements are off limits to Palestinians and have their own separate systems while the Palestinians live in abject poverty. It _IS_ apartheid.

The United Nations considers Israel's repeated settlements (yes they continue to build them) in the West Bank as ILLEGAL. Israel has literally dozens of UN resolutions against them and their illegal settlements. Any votes to do anything are automatically veto'd by the USA.

Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch, etc considers what Israel is doing in the West Bank as criminal.

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Israel has been in a war for their existence since 1948 - it offered peace many times, and the terrorists in charge of the PLO/PA refused. If they accepted the British Mandate's partition, they'd have a WAY bigger state than they ever have had a dream of.
The British Mandate split Palestine into a Jewish state and a Palestinian state. Jews, despite being an incredibly minority in the region would get a majority of the land. Furthermore, 49% of the Jewish state was to have a Palestinian 'minority.'

The Palestinian state would be overwhelmingly Palestinian, have a larger population, and be a smaller amount of the land.

Why on earth would you expect people to accept that? Would you expect the United States to accept an offer from outside country to split the land in half?



We hold a candle to Israel as some sort of "Champion of Democracy" in the region. So why are they constantly compared to "Backwards Arab neighbors?"

Peace could happen, as long as Israel continues to build _MORE_ settlements in the West Bank in hope of becoming a majority there, it's not going to happen.
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Iran with nuclear weapons starts WWIII. It's in our self interest that a terrorist state who openly supports war against the U.S. does not get them.
How is Iran anymore a "terrorist state" than Israel, Pakistan, or India -- all of which have nuclear weapons?

People seem to think Iran is some backwards Afghanistan. It's not. It's not Arab either.
post #67 of 308
No, immigrants should not be spoiled by the Government. Our Gov is close to bankruptcy as it is. They should work to make something for themselves instead of being a burden on this great nation of ours.
post #68 of 308
I support Israel cutting off their water, for the record. The difference between the US getting divided in half by an outside country and the British Mandate was that Britain owned the land and there was never (and is not and will NEVER BE) a STATE of Palestine.

Iran is a terrorist state because it SUPPORTS TERRORIST GROUPS. They're not Arabs, I never said they were.
post #69 of 308
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I support Israel cutting off their water, for the record. The difference between the US getting divided in half by an outside country and the British Mandate was that Britain owned the land and there was never (and is not and will NEVER BE) a STATE of Palestine.
So you support Israel's terrorist occupation of the land in violation of the UN and human rights groups? Palestinians will continue to blow themselves as long as the jets of zion screech overhead as the people have no education, no economy, no anything except occupied with a shrinking amount of land as Israel's illegal settlements continue.

By the way, are you Jewish? I am curious if it reflects your support for Israel.

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Iran is a terrorist state because it SUPPORTS TERRORIST GROUPS. They're not Arabs, I never said they were.
Terrorism is a subjective term. Some would say bombing an entire civilian nation in the summer time by destroying their power and water supplies is terrorism, do you think it is?
post #70 of 308
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So you support Israel's terrorist occupation of the land in violation of the UN and human rights groups?
Yes. I despise the UN.

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Palestinians will continue to blow themselves as long as the jets of zion screech overhead as the people have no education, no economy, no anything except occupied with a shrinking amount of land as Israel's illegal settlements continue.
Am Yisrael Chai.

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By the way, are you Jewish? I am curious if it reflects your support for Israel.
Is this what you meant by people of my type?



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Terrorism is a subjective term. Some would say bombing an entire civilian nation in the summer time by destroying their power and water supplies is terrorism, do you think it is?
If it's a civilian nation, sure. If it's a nation that has elected terrorists that have declared war on you, not as much.
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Yes. I despise the UN.
Good, me too. Good thing Israel as the United States to veto the world's decisions.

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Is this what you meant by people of my type?
I don't know are you Jewish? If the United States and Israel went to war, which country would you fight for? The country of your birth?

Edit: As re-read why you kept asking your type. By your time I meant the crazy supporter of Israel who refuses to look at the issue in an unbiased manner and accepts everything Israel does and refuses to respond to any points made beyond calling someone a racist or anti-semite. Truthfully, it doesn't surprise me. I question people with dual loyalties.
post #72 of 308
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If it's a civilian nation, sure. If it's a nation that has elected terrorists that have declared war on you, not as much.
So, in war you believe there are no innocents?
post #73 of 308
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Good, me too. Good thing Israel as the United States to veto the world's decisions.
Appeal to majority is a logical fallacy. If only Israel and the U.S. are right, the world's decisions are irrelevant.

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I don't know are you Jewish? If the United States and Israel went to war, which country would you fight for? The country of your birth?
What do you think?

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So, in war you believe there are no innocents?
The only innocents are those working to overthrow the totalitarian government that is in the wrong - in this case, those working to dethrone the Hamas thugs.
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What do you think?
Why not just tell us? Would you fight for your country or a foreign one that happens to share the same religion?

It seems many American Jews have dual loyalties that put Israel above the United States. Perhaps when you look at groups like APAIC that's rather obvious.

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The only innocents are those working to overthrow the totalitarian government that is in the wrong - in this case, those working to dethrone the Hamas thugs.
Don't expect a people you mistreat for 60 years, take away their rights to love and cherish you. How Israel expects to win over the people of Palestine by taking their land and mistreating them is beyond me.
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