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post #26 of 308
3/28/07 at 9:43pm
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Originally Posted by SevenKid0505 View Post
Anyone who needs food stamps to get by is an embarrassment to this nation and does not deserve to live here. I can't think of many things more pathetic than a person incapable of getting a job that pays enough to take care of and feed both said person and their family members.

^^ So my family is an embarrassment because at one time we needed some help and I don't deserve to live here?

And excuse me, but the people who can't find a decent job to support a family aren't pathetic. It's the people who set the minimum wage at a amount so low it's hard to actually get by.

post #27 of 308
3/28/07 at 9:44pm
Who is to blame for an individual not having a college degree? We're all in control of our own economic destinies... if you can't get a job paying over $8 you know that you severely screwed up somewhere along the line.
post #28 of 308
3/28/07 at 9:47pm
This is getting off topic but whatev


Here are 20 of the top-paying jobs that don't require a degree according to Shatkin's book:
Air traffic controller
Annual income: $102,030
Storage and distribution manager
Annual income: $66,600
Transportation manager
Annual income: $66,600
Police and detectives supervisor
Annual income: $64,430
Non-retail sales manager
Annual income: $59,300
Forest fire fighting and prevention supervisor
Annual income: $58,920
Municipal fire fighting and prevention supervisor
Annual income: $58,902
Real estate broker
Annual income: $58,720
Elevator installers and repairer
Annual income: $58,710
Sales representative
Annual income: $58,580
Dental hygienist
Annual income: $58,350
Radiation therapist
Annual income: $57,700
Nuclear medicine technologist
Annual income: $56,450
Child support, missing persons and unemployment insurance fraud investigator
Annual income: $53,900
Criminal investigators and special agent
Annual income: $53,990
Immigration and Customs inspector
Annual income: $53,990
Police detective
Annual Income: $53,990
Police identification and records officer
Annual income: $53,990
Commercial pilot
Annual income: $53,870
Talent director
Annual income: $52,840
post #29 of 308
3/28/07 at 9:49pm
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Originally Posted by SevenKid0505 View Post
Who is to blame for an individual not having a college degree? We're all in control of our own economic destinies... if you can't get a job paying over $8 you know that you severely screwed up somewhere along the line.

Not everyone can go to college. That doesn't mean familes should suffer. If people need help, I'm all for it as long as it's not abused.

btw...notfrostyjosh, I gave you a +1..
post #30 of 308
3/28/07 at 9:50pm
Sometimes I love being old. I have seen people w/the best intentions, desire, education, etc. despite all that, they just get hosed.
That cliche', shit happens? Well it does. Like I said, I feel fortunate. Giving somebody some slack isn't the end of the world.
post #31 of 308
3/28/07 at 9:55pm
^ Nope, it's acutally a good way to make sure something good happens in your own world. "No act of kindness, no matter how small, is ever wasted"- anonymous.
post #32 of 308
3/28/07 at 9:57pm
^^ EXACTLY!!
post #33 of 308
3/28/07 at 9:57pm
Jeez, ^^^^^^^ It's true
post #34 of 308
3/28/07 at 9:57pm
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Originally Posted by barbie_az View Post
Not everyone can go to college. That doesn't mean familes should suffer. If people need help, I'm all for it as long as it's not abused.

btw...notfrostyjosh, I gave you a +1..
A good 99% (probably closer to 100%) of those who want to go to college can find some way to do so. Perhaps they couldn't afford the tuition so they just take night classes, maybe they simply go to community college... the fact is that they're pursuing a higher education in some regard. It's your fault if you do not choose to go to college and lack the means to make a reasonable income. If you're unable to afford a spouse/children then why do you have them in the first place?

The only time I can see any form of government assistance as being reasonable is in the case which josh mentioned. If someone has been a hard working individual all their life and gets totally screwed over by illness then yes, I think that our government could pitch in a little bit. Otherwise, and I do mean this, a single mother raising three children on a Wal-Mart sales associate’s salary brought everything upon herself.
post #35 of 308
3/28/07 at 9:59pm
Uh, that being said, someone does need to work at Wal-mart.
post #36 of 308
3/28/07 at 10:02pm
NO government assistance is acceptable. Get rid of the worthless spending, give people their tax money back.

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Originally Posted by kellygawtscammed View Post
So if you ever lose your job and cant find a new one right away but have kids to feed, what would you do?
Serious, honest question.
I dont know what I'd do. I know a lot of people are too proud to use food stamps and other govt assistance.
Kelly: Do you mean now or if there was no food stamps?
Now: Get on every form of welfare possible to reclaim my money.
No Food Stamps: Friends, Family, PRIVATE charity.

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Originally Posted by jetta_07 View Post
agreed - lots of people work at low paying jobs and cannot afford to feed their families if they are a single parent. read "nickel and dimed" before you judge people who are not as well off as you. instead of kicking people out of the country who need help, we need to start paying a living wage.
A "living wage" ignores ANY aspect of economic theory. Ehrenreich's socialist propaganda tract is worthless. Daley has done a lot of socialist crap in his past, but he vetoed the "living wage" bill because he knew it would bring economic ruin to Chicago.
post #37 of 308
3/28/07 at 10:02pm
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Originally Posted by begret View Post
Uh, that being said, someone does need to work at Wal-mart.


I agree.
post #38 of 308
3/28/07 at 10:03pm
Thread Starter 
I'm not against socialist policies but they do not work in a largely populated multi-cultural/multi-racial country like the United States. There are too many groups who feel they are owed something and too many different segments of the population.

socialism works good in nations with smaller, homogeneous populations, where there is a strong work ethnic, highly educated population. Take Iceland for example, it has socialist policies and has one of the world's highest standards of living. They don't need to import massive of third world peoples to leech off the system. (I don't think it's any surprise if you look at the demographics of the world's countries with the highest standards of living -- Sweden, Norway, Denmark, Iceland, etc... doubt it will stay that way when they become Muslim).

I'm not against it in the United States but you are always going to have those people who pump out kids and live off the system.

Too bad our entire manufacturing base is being outsourced. The ultra rich are going to turn this into a third world Mexican satellite state with a small extremely wealthy White minority. Probably going to happen in Europe too when Whites will be a minority in 100 years. Wonder where all the technology is going to come from them, China or Japan I guess.
post #39 of 308
3/28/07 at 10:04pm
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by avatar View Post
NO government assistance is acceptable. Get rid of the worthless spending, give people their tax money back.
Then how can we afford to fight Israel's wars and send them billions?
post #40 of 308
3/28/07 at 10:05pm
sevenkid, i imagine your parents pay for your schooling and general expenses?
post #41 of 308
3/28/07 at 10:06pm
wow. ok, this thread is an example of why we shouldnt talk about anything controversial
post #42 of 308
3/28/07 at 10:08pm
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Originally Posted by notfrostyjosh View Post
wow. ok, this thread is an example of why we shouldnt talk about anything controversial
Hehheh, it's like you posted, and then saw all that happened in the interim, huh?
post #43 of 308
3/28/07 at 10:09pm
I too feel a lot of americans feel they are entitled to a handout themselves. I have a friend who is in her 40's who you don't dare mention immigration issues to, let alone welfare. She believe that anyone who's not paying taxes is worthless to this country and why should they get any help from us. She also cites the idea that there's not going to be any social security because of "these people".

But I just wanted to add that even WITH a college degree it's hard to get a well paying job! I know A LOT of people who have degrees from universities that are in the top 25 in the nation and they make about $12 an hour. Just because you have a degree doesn't mean you'll automatically be raking in the dough.

And as far as the job list posted, MOST of those jobs require at the minimum, some classes to even apply. Dental hygenists go to school for 2 years to get their degrees. It's not like they just hire some person off the street and let them go at it!
post #44 of 308
3/28/07 at 10:11pm
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Originally Posted by Zeitgeist View Post
You're an idiot.
Can you provide an example of how someone who opted out of college earning $8 an hour over the age of 30 hasn't screwed up? Why should America help people who don't have the common sense to help themselves? Really, I'd love to see one.

Josh - Yes, but if necessary I certainly would have worked my way through college and provided for myself in all other aspects of life.
post #45 of 308
3/28/07 at 10:13pm
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by SevenKid0505 View Post
Can you provide an example of how someone who opted out of college earning $8 an hour over the age of 30 hasn't screwed up? Why should America help people who don't have the common sense to help themselves? Really, I'd love to see one.
I don't think we should help people who can't help themselves. I also don't think we should fight Israel's wars or allow floods of third world, legal and illegal, immigrants in this country threatening us into third world status.

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Originally Posted by SevenKid0505 View Post
Josh - Yes, but if necessary I certainly would have worked my way through college and provided for myself in all other aspects of life.
You can't say that because you aren't in that situation.
post #46 of 308
3/28/07 at 10:14pm
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Originally Posted by Zeitgeist View Post
Then how can we afford to fight Israel's wars and send them billions?
Silly racist, no Jew-baiting.
post #47 of 308
3/28/07 at 10:15pm
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Originally Posted by Zeitgeist View Post
Then how can we afford to fight Israel's wars and send them billions?
we can't ... look at our national debt
post #48 of 308
3/28/07 at 10:16pm
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Originally Posted by SevenKid0505 View Post

Josh - Yes, but if necessary I certainly would have worked my way through college and provided for myself in all other aspects of life.

^^ Easy for you to say that since you actually didn't have to.
post #49 of 308
3/28/07 at 10:17pm
Welfare and social security are both handouts.

ILU ANUISH
post #50 of 308
3/28/07 at 10:20pm
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by avatar View Post
Silly racist, no Jew-baiting.
What does racism have to do with the obscene amount of money we give Israel?

Or are you one of the uneducated clowns who equate anyone who dares speak out against Israel as an anti-Semite? Like the ADL who was shreiking when Carter dared speak of Israel's apartheid in the West Bank, the one-size-fits-all "anti-Semite" slander was shouted.

It's like the number one catch-all in an argument to anyone who dares speak critical of Israel.

I doubt you'll be able to answer the question.
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