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post #151 of 308
3/29/07 at 7:33pm
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Originally Posted by nxba View Post
A lot of US citizens didn't choose to work to live here, they hit the birth lotto and ended up born here. A country is an abstract product of people's need for society and organization. It shouldn't really mean anything so emotional to any rational person... once this is understood, a lot of these arguments are moot.
A country is a product of the people who built it. To act as if a country has to allow in every person who requests it, even at the detriment of their own population, is ridiculous.

There's a reason some groups of people invent and build first world nations and why some people never had a wheel.
post #152 of 308
3/29/07 at 7:35pm
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The legal immigrants to this country who may be in need of assistance in the form of food stamps are not a population that abuses that system. Rather, they are transitory populations with a heavy and proven investment in building successful lives in a new country. These people then become contributing members of our society.
Where do you draw the line? Why not just let in 20 million people a year to leech off the American tax payer and the people who work for their money? Is that fair?
post #153 of 308
3/29/07 at 7:36pm
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This is rubbish. I can't argue when you are making up information and presenting it as fact. Please return to whatever schools gave you any degree you might have and tell them that you want your money back.
If it is rubbish why do you not argue with what is incorrect rather then just insult and state something is wrong and then refuse to back it up?
post #154 of 308
3/29/07 at 7:36pm
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Originally Posted by begret View Post
While I am sitting here pecking away, there is someone that I am not worthy of doing way more with way less. There are others above me and below me. The older I get, the less judgmental I become.
This just bears repeating (a million times over.)
post #155 of 308
3/29/07 at 7:38pm
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personally, i'd rather spend my tax dollars on food for children rather than bombs to kill children.
My point exactly.
post #156 of 308
3/29/07 at 7:39pm
Aren't all our (American) ancestors immigrants in some way or another?
post #157 of 308
3/29/07 at 7:39pm
Yes. Nobody deserves to go hungry.
post #158 of 308
3/29/07 at 7:40pm
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in addition, you might be surprised to find out that food stamps give a person less than $100 a month to eat.
That's more than Joe Smith (or I guess in 10 years, Juan Garcia) get for free each month by those who work for their money.
post #159 of 308
3/29/07 at 7:43pm
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If it is rubbish why do you not argue with what is incorrect rather then just insult and state something is wrong and then refuse to back it up?
Reliable information on pre-European mesoAmerican culture can be found in books on the subject:

The Founders of America: How Indians discovered the land, pioneered it, and created great classical civilizations, how they were plunged into a Dark Age by invasion and conquest, and how they are now reviving, Francis Jennings, W.W. Norton & Co., N.Y.

Native Roots: How the Indians Enriched America, Jack Weatherford, Crown Publishers, Inc., N.Y.

American Indian Contributions to the World: 15,000 years of Inventions and Innovations, Emory Dean Keaoke & Kay Marie Porterfield, Checkmark Books.

1491: New Revelations of the Americas Before Columbus, Charles C. Mann, Knopf.

There are web resources with similar information, I have pulled these listings from my notes taken while I was doing my MA. There are stacks of books and journal articles that prove your statements wrong. The factual information I provided regarding Native American pictographic language and the invention of the wheel is absolutely accurate.
post #160 of 308
3/29/07 at 7:49pm
why are people negging posts just because they don't agree with their points?



man, it's always the same people who always have to ruin a perfectly good, respectful discussion.

casey60622, we love you!


and even though i've only read a fraction of this thread, it looks like a discussion of moral responsibility/machievellian/social darwinism/upholding virtues for the sake of the greater good. however, this thread most thrives on the self-evident irony (not hypocrisy). because a true machievellian knows not to expose his cards to reveal his selfish nature. 5 star thread.
post #161 of 308
3/29/07 at 7:50pm
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Where do you draw the line? Why not just let in 20 million people a year to leech off the American tax payer and the people who work for their money? Is that fair?
Uhm...that is not the issue at hand nor the argument I am making.

Our government does not allow immigrants into the country wholesale. It is a very difficult process and the vast majority are turned away.

Fair has nothing to do with it. My statement was not that America should have a completely open immigration policy. I never said that. However, we have a vested interest in helping the immigrants we do allow into the country to get on their feet and become taxpayers and consumers.
post #162 of 308
3/29/07 at 7:55pm
lol zeitgeist is on a non-partisan negging frenzy
post #163 of 308
3/29/07 at 8:00pm
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lol zeitgeist is on a non-partisan negging frenzy
Ahahahahahaha!!!
post #164 of 308
3/29/07 at 8:03pm
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Uhm...why? Because you disagree, you don't understand or something else?
the answer is simple. theres a page 7 to this thread now.
post #165 of 308
3/29/07 at 8:07pm
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Originally Posted by not_a_virus.exe View Post
why are people negging posts just because they don't agree with their points?
seriousy.... the neg button is not for when you don't agree with someone's POV.
post #166 of 308
3/29/07 at 8:07pm
notfrostyjosh, you are seriously one of the weirdest people i've ever come across, even on the internet. and you always get so upset over the most random, benign things. i wonder how you are in real life. you sure you have a girlfriend?
post #167 of 308
3/29/07 at 8:10pm
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please casey, just stop

great use of "equivocate" though.
please josh, just stop

you're in the wrong thread and probably in the wrong forum as well
post #168 of 308
3/29/07 at 8:15pm
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Where do you draw the line? Why not just let in 20 million people a year to leech off the American tax payer and the people who work for their money? Is that fair?
I completely agree. Our nation cannot afford this burden. The hard working citizens are taxed enough as it is.
post #169 of 308
3/29/07 at 8:18pm
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seriousy.... the neg button is not for when you don't agree with someone's POV.
Apparently it is, because even when I asked questions or stated facts my posts were negged. I don't know how to tell who does it, so I just started negging them all to make me feel better about myself.
post #170 of 308
3/29/07 at 8:19pm
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Native Roots: How the Indians Enriched America, Jack Weatherford, Crown Publishers, Inc., N.Y.
i read one similar to this..Indian Givers: How the Indians of the Americas Transformed the World by the same author. dunno if its the book youre referring to i imagine it is?

i remember that the author believes the indians greatest contribution was their slave labor in the gold and silver mines of the andean region. he argues that it was this gold and silver that changed the european economy from feudalism to capitalism. he also argues that the potato, a staple of the andes, was the main factor in the growth of europe and ultimately the soviet union. he goes as far as to say without the potato the soviet union wouldnt have been a world power..germany wouldnt have started 2 world wars... think about that!

a good introduction to some of their achievements though.
post #171 of 308
3/29/07 at 8:19pm
yay im back in it
post #172 of 308
3/29/07 at 8:21pm
I negged some of your posts because they are racist lies worthy of a KKK rally, Zeitgeist.

Which, as far as I am concerned is a very legitamate use of the rating feature.
post #173 of 308
3/29/07 at 8:22pm
you can check to see who +1'ed or -1'ed your post by clicking on the number
post #174 of 308
3/29/07 at 8:23pm
negggggggg
post #175 of 308
3/29/07 at 8:25pm
its kind of fun to see who the neggers(hahaha) are
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