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post #1 of 308
3/28/07 at 8:22pm
Thread Starter 
Lets not turn this into a topic on illegal immigration.

Since the 1970s the majority of immigrants coming to the US have been from third world, non-European nations.

Anyway, legal immigrants are allowed to come and ask for government handouts such as cash/EBT/food stamps.

Do you think we should allow in those who become a burden on the country?
post #2 of 308
3/28/07 at 8:24pm
Yes, legal immigrants should reap benefits of natural citizens.
IMO
post #3 of 308
3/28/07 at 8:24pm
No one should get food stamps, immigrant or citizen.
post #4 of 308
3/28/07 at 8:27pm
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No one should get food stamps, immigrant or citizen.
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^what he said
post #5 of 308
3/28/07 at 8:29pm
BUT, if I am forced to say yes or no to that question, no.

Because:
1. They haven't paid taxes here their whole life.
2. The less food stamps, the less government spending.
post #6 of 308
3/28/07 at 8:31pm
So if you ever lose your job and cant find a new one right away but have kids to feed, what would you do?
Serious, honest question.
I dont know what I'd do. I know a lot of people are too proud to use food stamps and other govt assistance.
post #7 of 308
3/28/07 at 8:36pm
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Originally Posted by Zeitgeist View Post
Do you think we should allow in those who become a burden on the country?
People in this country are granted immigrant status based on humanitarian principals and laws just as much as they are based on their skills and economic benefit. If all the people cared about was whether something is an economic burden or not then why have charity or help out someone less fortunate altogether? Not to mention that many industrialised countries first imposed a burden on third world countries and are now somewhat performing a payback to balance things out. Some countries (US included) are providing certain assistance as a form of making up for abuse done in the past.

There are certain legal procedures that help determine what may be a burden and what may be not, it's matter for professionals and lawmakers. Generalising and simplifying such cases often is a rallying point for nationalist and racist movements.
post #8 of 308
3/28/07 at 8:40pm
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Originally Posted by kellygawtscammed View Post
So if you ever lose your job and cant find a new one right away but have kids to feed, what would you do?
Serious, honest question.
My question was not on government assistance. It was on people we allow in and then they become a burden on the system.

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If all the people cared about was whether something is an economic burden or not then why have charity or help out someone less fortunate altogether?
So the first world countries should allow the two billion who live on dollars a day into their countries?

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Not to mention that many industrialised countries first imposed a burden on third world countries and are now somewhat performing a payback to balance things out. Some countries (US included) are providing certain assistance as a form of making up for abuse done in the past.
What are you talking about? This has absolutely nothing to do with my question but I'll respond to it anyway.

Do you think Europeans automatically were given first world industrialized societies? No, they were intelligent and gave the world electricity, cars, computers, medicine, modern technology, etc. If anything, the third world owes us.

How did the first world "impose a burden on third world countries?" Such a broad and moronic statement. By giving them written languages, electricity, medicine, that's a burden?


The question is:


Should the United States allow people to come in and leech off of the system when we have millions of of our own poor? Then again, I always see some welfare mom with her 3 kids from 3 different dads with her $300 cellphone pull out a EBT card.
post #9 of 308
3/28/07 at 8:41pm
zeitgeist my q was more geared towards avatar
post #10 of 308
3/28/07 at 8:41pm
P.S. By the way, don't be fooled by thinking that using government assistance while not being a naturalised citizen yet goes unnoticed. It is certainly counted and considered when you apply for citizenship.

P.P.S Expect to see more folks from Iraq coming to the US on assisted living. With minimum english language skills and inadequate education, how else do you think they will survive other than on government assistance? Shouldn't have gone there in the first place, I guess.
post #11 of 308
3/28/07 at 8:41pm
[quote=kellygawtscammed;1121137]So if you ever lose your job and cant find a new one right away but have kids to feed, what would you do?
Serious, honest question.


^^ This is why when I was little we had to get food stamps for a little while.

My dad lost his job and it was me, my baby brother, mom and dad. We got food stamps for only a short while while my dad looked for another job. But we needed the food stamps to get by.

We didn't abuse the system though like some people who do. Right when my dad got a job we went off.
post #12 of 308
3/28/07 at 8:44pm
Thread Starter 
I think we need to cut off the massive third world immigration (as does Europe). Our countries can't survive when we bring in people bring crimes and burdens and no scientific advancement or education but again that's not the questions... So stop thread stealing on the Wars for Israel in Iraq (and soon Iran), the billions we send israel the first country who practices racist apartheid, or illegal immigration.

Lets focus on the question, make a thread if you want to go off.
post #13 of 308
3/28/07 at 8:46pm
let's kick everyone out of the U.S. who can't support themselves or be supported w/o government aid ... except old people ... they can stay, i like them.
post #14 of 308
3/28/07 at 8:47pm
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So the first world countries should allow the two billion who live on dollars a day into their countries?
Theoretically speaking, yes. It is in the UN Human Rights Charter - every person has the right and freedom to live wherever he wants in the country of his/her choice. The rest is technicalities.

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What are you talking about? This has absolutely nothing to do with my question but I'll respond to it anyway.
Do you think Europeans automatically were given first world industrialized societies? No, they were intelligent and gave the world electricity, cars, computers, medicine, modern technology, etc. If anything, the third world owes us.
How did the first world "impose a burden on third world countries?" Such a broad and moronic statement. By giving them written languages, electricity, medicine, that's a burden?
Oh wow, I thought schools teach better. Oh well, good luck and have a good night.
post #15 of 308
3/28/07 at 8:53pm


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let's kick everyone out of the U.S. who can't support themselves or be supported w/o government aid ... except old people ... they can stay, i like them.
post #16 of 308
3/28/07 at 8:55pm
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Originally Posted by trampzilla View Post
Theoretically speaking, yes. It is in the UN Human Rights Charter - every person has the right and freedom to live wherever he wants in the country of his/her choice. The rest is technicalities.
I'd like to see that. Immigration is not a right.

There's a reason Iceland or Sweden are first world, incredibly high standard of living countries. I think we all know why regardless if it's PC to say it or not.

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Oh wow, I thought schools teach better. Oh well, good luck and have a good night.
Sounds like a cop out. Can't respond to the quote so you simply ignore it. Good job, just don't become a lawyer.
post #17 of 308
3/28/07 at 8:55pm
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Oh wow, I thought schools teach better. Oh well, good luck and have a good night.


Yeah, I thought so too. Although, maybe this guy was educated on Ruby Ridge.
post #18 of 308
3/28/07 at 9:02pm
Im gonna try to stay out of this. I have strong feelings because my husband is a LEGAL immigrant but he worked his butt off to get here and he's a tax paying, law abiding citizen. It wasnt cheap to immigrate here either, nor is it an easy process.
post #19 of 308
3/28/07 at 9:20pm
Uhm...denying food stamps to legal immigrants does not help those people become better able to become fully and participating members of our society. A little assistance early on (like food stamps) can enable these people to break out of poverty and living on the "fringe" as it were.

When I studied in Norway I dated a guy from Kosovo. He was a refugee and was given a place to live and had his education paid for. He is a doctor now. He got some of that because he wanted to go into medicine and there is a shortage on doctors in Norway. However, refugees there are given an amazing amount in the knowledge that most people want to work and establish themselves. I know that can't happen here because Norway is small and rich (and socialist) but the money that they spend on immigrants really does seem to get paid back to their society in the form of having these people become contributing, tax-paying members of society.
post #20 of 308
3/28/07 at 9:28pm
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Originally Posted by kellygawtscammed View Post
So if you ever lose your job and cant find a new one right away but have kids to feed, what would you do?
Serious, honest question.
I dont know what I'd do. I know a lot of people are too proud to use food stamps and other govt assistance.
agreed - lots of people work at low paying jobs and cannot afford to feed their families if they are a single parent. read "nickel and dimed" before you judge people who are not as well off as you. instead of kicking people out of the country who need help, we need to start paying a living wage.
post #21 of 308
3/28/07 at 9:29pm
All my grandparents came here via Russia/China many years ago, mostly on foot.Two of them through western China. When they finally arrived here, they raised chickens, did whatever to make a living. This was partly during the Depression. From all accounts it sucked. But they wanted to be here. They had to flee Russia, then China, so they weren't leaving! They became citizens and had kids and so on.
As barbie was saying there is a safety net in place, but it can/is easily abused. So I would not have a problem with citizens or legal immigrants getting a little help. The trick, imo, is to not abuse the system. That's the crux.

I'll tell you one thing, I don't take anything I have for granted.


post #22 of 308
3/28/07 at 9:32pm
That's a very good point Casey. You're such a worldy babe.

There is a big difference between helping those that help themselves and giving handouts. Unfortunately it seems as though some Americans feel they are "owed", and stand in the line with both hands out. If someone wants to come to this country and make something of themselves, a productive member of society, I have no problem at all helping them out.

But there is something called exchange, which I believe in wholeheartedly. When you get something, you give something. People who are out exchange will always drain society, this is the systems flaw, one which won't be fixed on a denim forum, but at the poles.
post #23 of 308
3/28/07 at 9:33pm
Anyone who needs food stamps to get by is an embarrassment to this nation and does not deserve to live here. I can't think of many things more pathetic than a person incapable of getting a job that pays enough to take care of and feed both said person and their family members.
post #24 of 308
3/28/07 at 9:39pm
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Originally Posted by SevenKid0505 View Post
Anyone who needs food stamps to get by is an embarrassment to this nation and does not deserve to live here. I can't think of many things more pathetic than a person incapable of getting a job that pays enough to take care of and feed both said person and their family members.
So someone who loses their job at a car manufacturing plant that outsourced and can only find a job that pays $8 an hour is pathetic? Without a college degree, its very hard to find a good paying job in many areas. Why is it the fault of the person and not the fault of the company who chose to outsource?
post #25 of 308
3/28/07 at 9:42pm
no, because i dont want to pay for it. that being said, a lot of unfortunate things can happen that can cause a family to bleed money and its ignorant to call someone an "embarrassment" for not being able to feed a family. imagine if your child was diagnosed with cancer and you either dont have insurance or the insurance money ran out. so in order to save that daughter or son you start spending your savings, mortgage the house etc. child dies and you lost house etc. its pretty easy to get fucked in this day and age.
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