BTW, I saw a pair of fake scorps on eBay a few hours ago with 'Holt Renfrew' tags. Maybe this is a new trend to throw off buyers. That would suck if this were the case. Come to think of it, I have seen a few with the plastic tags (the ones that say, say 'VIP Pass') that are supposed to have the silver clasp that hangs from the belt loops, but they come attatched with a key ring, and they have a fake Nordstrom UII (Stickers that the salespeople at the full line stores use when they make a sale) on there as well. Unfortunatley, I think these companies that are faking jeans are getting a little smarter.