just tried them on. i'm glad i listened to everyone here and sized up. they fit almost perfectly. although the waist is maybe about 1/2" bigger ( i can deal with that), every where else fit right on...no saggy ass. i don't think i would be able to fit into my normal size as they won't pass my thighs for sure. do they stretch out over time? i mean they fit well right now because they are brand new. love the wash..very special.