I thought about it and I am not going to pay full price. Hopefully when they go on sale i will try to buy a pair, I Already saved the money for the jeans, so now i have to wait until they go on sale. Hey DC how is your 8BT fit, did they stretch out ? I remember you got one size down. If i wear 31 X 32 in Thavar/Thanaz/Shioner .....Would Size 31 in DBG be ok or do i need to size up ? can you please let me know ?