This one is 29x30... Shioner is still tricky to me. I fit 28x32, but not 28x30. so when its 30L, I normally get it in 29s.
This pair however, is very tiny tiny tiny bit looser than my 74Y and 801A both in 29x30L.. I think I could of squeezed myself in the 28x30 in this one but probably won't be as comfortable as this. worst case I'll slap on a belt. Basically this pair fits the strected out worn feel of my 74Y and 801A. but this is new.