hi DA - I had 2 pairs.. first got the 27, they were making my legs numb. but they are so sexy... then I got the 29 from Glorious... initially I thought they would be too big but man they fit awesome. So go w/ your thavar size. and no my 8BT did not stretch out. however, I don't wear it often, so its still thick and crunchy. I have to say its probably one of my thicker denims, thicker than my Nudie 13.5oz japanese selvage.