If I was you, I would get 8I2 and 880W. You can pick both of these up for the same price as 811P alone.
I have 880W in Shioner (one of the best washes Diesel have ever produced in my opinion) and 811P in Thavar.
811P are awesome, but...
Almost got a little spicy in here ;-) bit of controversy (albeit temporary) never did anyone any harm....
*THAVAR BOMB*
Scotch & Soda Tee (New)
Thavar 811P
Paul Smith Leather...